Amazon is putting a windfarm in Scurry county Texas to make money and help with the "Global Warming" problem. The Bluestem Ranch would be a great place for Amazon to expand this effort. Amazon CEO is one of the richest persons in the U.S. The Osage Nation will loose the suit as no minerals are taken and the land owner can build on his land.
This sounds like someone with a vested interest in making a huge buck off the Bluestem Ranch area would say. Gee, I wonder who that could be? The Osage Nation government would profit. The people who delegate the funds would profit. Then of course the bribes and under the table deals to make certain people would profit big time.
As usual the Osage general public will be fed a bunch of buffalo chips about how wonderful the wind farms will help the young and old alike. The Osage people will receive no benefit whatsoever from the Ranch or wind farms. But hey, it's the government money, right? They're going to do what’s in their best interest despite what the people think.
.....The Osage Nation ..."will loose the suit"....... as no minerals are taken and the land owner can build on his land.
That is a very interesting thing to say. What suit? ….lose the suit? Really? Why is this person so confident about such an outcome and why does he want the Osages to lose?
What is this person projecting and why? Who is the Plaintiff, the Osage government or the MC? Someone is having a conversation somewhere and is putting his thoughts on this blog.
When it happened --->>> http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2012/07/21/animated-map-shows-loss-western-tribal-lands-1784-124688 Only the Osage Nation government has taken the Osage Tribe's reservation away in Federal Court.
This is how it starts: McGraw-Hill destroys textbook to placate pro-Israel bloggers At one point in history, it was the same when people cried out, anti-Nazi bigots and they were left alone instead of taken to task. Israel has been appropriating land with illegal settlements on Palestinian land for decades. The U.S. supports this and it's wrong. The UN put in place the mandate and charter for Israel and they can damn well take it away. See land map here: http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/nov-29-1947-united-nations-partitions-palestine-allowing-for-creation-of-israel/?_r=0 See land map now: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/mcgraw-hill-destroys-textbook-placate-pro-israel-bloggers Why does everyone who doesn't agree with the U.S. version of things tend to lose their shirts and the land they own and stand on?
AnonymousOctober 18, 2016 at 11:49 AM Tallgrass is being run by Jill Jones as the general manager? Isn't she the wife of former AG Jeff Jones who the Chief GSB tried to replace but he had some sort of Federal prosecution designation and had to be demoted rather than be let go from the employ of the Osage Nation altogether? Now were paying for an AG in addition to an Assistant AG if I'm right. Plus Jill's collecting a salary from the ONES Board she still sits on as well. JUST GREAT!
Free us from GSB! Free us from GSB! Free us from GSB!
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AnonymousOctober 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM When you pay these non-Osages at the helm, CEO, CFO and COO, an exorbitant salary and benefits and then close up the options, by an Act of the Osage Congress, for the Osage Nation as the member to get in there and take a look at what is going on with the day to day, according to the Harvard Project model that is a school of government entity not one of economics, this is what you have to deal with. Trust with verification is apparently a part of the game plan they know nothing about and wish to know nothing about either.
BHT has a story on the Osage Nation filing for a $1 million default judgment against three companies that were once part of the Osage LLC., in the October 13th 2016 issue. https://www.facebook.com/Bigheart-Times-130472647019594/
The only thing the Osage Nation knows how to do is get itself in trouble legally, lose assets like the reservation and exorbitant amounts of money. With this running track record that continues on a daily basis, if the BIA approves a compact to run the minerals estate by the Osage Nation, it will be tantamount to gross dereliction of duty under the fiduciary obligation it has to the headright owner beneficiaries of the OME Trust.
AnonymousOctober 21, 2016 at 10:59 AM The Osage Nation can't apply to compact the Minerals Estate. They are a renegade organization that Hepsi and the OGRC created out of thin air. The 2004 Reaffirmation Act of the U.S. Congress clarified that a new government can be formed and additional membership chosen for THE OSAGE TRIBE. PUBLIC LAW 108–431—DEC. 3, 2004 118 STAT. 2609 didn't even authorize so much as a name change. The Osage Nation owns nothing associated with the Osage MIneral Estate, the mineral rights and I believe not one single property in trust or anything built on it. The OSAGE TRIBE owns it legally and certainly the BIA has to know that this is the legal truth of the matter.
Raymond Redcorn believes that the Osage Nation government owns the Minerals Estate. Jim Gray sold us out and Wilson Pipestem argued that the HHP money belonged to the Osage Nation government – not the Shareholders.
The people in power want us to forget the 1906 Act and make us believe that PL108–431 "replaced" the 1906 Act.
Yes, we know PL108–431 was an affirmation to change government if and only if the shareholders wanted to change governments. Non-shareholders were allowed to vote on matters of which they had no right. But money was to be made people wanted to get rich. Today, friends and families of politicians are living quite well with exorbitant salaries far above what would be normal in the corporate world.
The Osage Nation government is about money, power, and political influence from the county level on up to Washington D.C.
Also Pipestem, I believe, put forward the idea that the shareholders had no legal rights in the HPP lawsuit. I believe it was Federal Judge Frizzell who stated that the Osage Nation had no right to waive the rights of the shareholders and that they had standing in the HPP lawsuit in the Court of Federal Appeals. That put the Osage Nation back in its place from then to today. I contend that the Osage Nation had no rights because they don't even own the mineral rights or the income before it is taken into trust and placed into the trust account for the headright owners. The only owners here are the Osage Tribe with the mineral rights reserved and all those OME Trust beneficiaries who still have membership in the Osage Tribe which includes all living Osage Headright owners.
Employees caught in the middle of Chief and Congress feud. Huh, really Chief you started this we can end this. The employee who is complaining is ignorant. Merit employment requires that you do the best, because your position will not be safe. It will allow you to grow and recognize your abilities and requires good moral and good work ethics. It will allow you to climb the latter. If you did a great job that year on your anniversary you will see a raise providing the right circumstances permits. I know this creates competitiveness from with in to inspire. To this employee who made a comment about Edwards, we Osages be it we may be out of state but remember why and how this happened if you understood our Culture you would not make such a racist remark as the one you did. You see some of us come from Great History rich in Culture. You insult our intelligence, what the vote is at best 2% of Osages who voted or just a little higher, do the math and you tell me we voted to keep Edwards in Office, really. What I find troubling is why such a low vote? But keeping on point...shame on you Chief in this instance you are wrong and we suspect why that your overhead is higher than suspected and not in alignment with the area you live in and way above the cost of living. www.osagenews.org
As far as I'm concerned the employees who never answer the phone, never return a message left or when they do, are rude or act like they are too busy to fool with you can MOAN AND WHINE THEMSELVES TO DEATH !!!!!! Formerly they had 260 hours (32 and a half days!!!!!!!!) of paid time off! I don't believe that this includes vacation time on top of that plus they also have bereavement leave. You talk about OSAGE NATION EMPLOYEES USING THE CULTURE TO GORGE THEMSELVES WITH MONEY AND TO TAKE TIME OFF AT OUR EXPENSE. This is detestable !!!!! Where in the work world do you see compensation packages like this? NOWHERE EVER UNLESS YOU HAVE EMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION THIEVES WORKING FOR YOU! Then you look at this: "Employee base pay, benefits, merit bonus, special adjustment and the cost of non-monetary recognition shall not exceed 52 percent of the tribal and non-tribal projected revenue." FIFTY TWO PERCENT? It shouldn't be anywhere near 15% at the outside maximum of the entire budget. You want to know where your tribal benefits are going? It's right here with $57,750,000 going to pay the employees who barely deserve the honor to work for the Osage Nation! These people are eating us alive and the elected officials are letting them them get away with it! I am creating a new acronym for the Osage Nation workforce who think they are so entitled and in their dueness believe they have the right to rob us blind: GDE = Greed Driven Employees. “The practice of hiring and promoting employees, esp. government employees, based on their competence rather than political favoritism.” YES CHIEF that's correct. What we have in place right now is far from it. (Nation’s Workforce Pay for Performance Act with the Merit Based Employment System Act). Who is the CEO of the Osage Casinos and how are you related to him (after that Board meeting where you yelled and screamed at the Board members until they finally agreed to vote to put him in as CEO). In addition, what position does your own wife have with the Osage Nation today? This remark is so rich coming from him I can't believe he had the audacity to make it out loud. Read this monstrous stuff the GDEs are getting away with at http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/10/21/employees-caught-middle-chief-and-congress-feud/
The only way this could even be happening is if the Osage Casinos are being robbed of necessary operating capital or they are appropriating the money from the loans somehow or both. Ten years and look at this puke being spewed all over us by these incompetents and ignorants who barely know how to drive to work never mind get any work done while they are there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The job too much for you? Well then take the day off???????? Make these people send faxes to the Executive Branch offices the minute they come in to work, the minute they leave for any reason and a fax when they return during regular working hours and when they leave the office at the end of the day. Anyone who won't go along is terminated immediately. Start recording the conversations and establish a written record of the time it takes to return a phone call to a member of the Osage Nation if a message is left on the recorder. OMG! Here we are struggling to make ends meet and the averaged salary of all Osage Nation GDEs at 486 of them is $71,000 including benefits!!!!!!!!! $24,500,000 (52% of $47,000,000) in Tribal funds and $10,000,000 (40% of $25,000,000) in Federal funds. Is this what you thought would be happening 10 years ago? Government raiders and thieves all around !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No wonder GSB wants his budget numbers opaque and hidden from the Osage people.
There are companies who shop the job performance of employees both in the government and the private sector. I'd like to see one of the best hired to swoop down on the Osage Nation government from top to bottom and have the report published to the Osage people. Hell, we could even come together, raise funds and hire a company to do a top down review of the Osage Nation government ourselves... They call it "being shopped."
On average for the 50 states in the Union, some 20 percent of state spending is for employee compensation which includes salaries, wages and benefits. Where does the Osage Nation get the right to spend double and a half more on employees who probably couldn't get a job anywhere else at that pay structure for what they are hired to do but at the Osage Nation? We are being taken for a ride big time and this article in the Osage News really proves it. Is the structure of the Osage Nation government from a bureaucratic standpoint that important or is it just an abominably selfish way to keep the money out of the hands of those who don't live in Osage County?
Now this is a conversation. All of you are right and point on. In my opinion I don't think every Osage Shareholder got a vote to weather we were to become a Government of such in 2006. PL 2912 was to allow membership to all Osages and we can turn the tide. End this sham, end this sham! We are the Osage Tribe not a money Government grabbing sham.
It's PUBLIC LAW 108–431—DEC. 3, 2004 118 STAT. 2609. It was HR 2912 (U.S. House of Representatives bill before it was sent over to the Senate for their version). The final draft of this Act of the U.S. Congress of was sent to President Bush for this signature and once signed into law it became and is today PUBLIC LAW 108–431—DEC. 3, 2004 118 STAT. 2609. Continuing to confuse everyone by referring to HR 2912 is perhaps not the best idea.
In case it's in dispute that the Osage Nation is out there somewhere well beyond the pale, let me direct you to this phrase in the same Act, PUBLIC LAW 108–431—DEC. 3, 2004 118 STAT. 2609:
"(U.S.) Congress hereby reaffirms the inherent sovereign right of the OSAGE TRIBE to determine its own form of government."
There it is in black and white and that's the sum total of it. Again, just like with the Osage National Council government back in the 1990's, the BIA and the Secretary of the Interior grossly erred in not minding the store from a fiduciary standpoint for the Osage Tribe as a legal entity and the legal Osage members with headrights as beneficiaries because it should have caught this Osage Nation business as soon as the draft copy of the Constitution hit the street in January of 2006 and sent Hepsi, the Harvard Project and her band of merry interlopers on the OGRC right back to the drawing board. When will the BIA ever learn to play the game according to Hoyle? They all need a good legal course in what a fiduciary obligation means in such a relationship to a beneficiary or beneficiaries.
Ok so I made a mistake HR 2912, but my point is of the same and still the same The BIA grossly errd. And playing to Hoyle is a understatement, had we remained the same we would have not lost the Reservation case.
HEADS UP! Don't miss the Group Medicare Supplement insurance Plan F enrollment period going on now through November 30, 2016: http://www.tmkcdn.com/UA/UA_Group/GRP3209_OsageNation/GRP3209A/GRP3209A_1015.html For the Osage Nation Limited Health Benefit Card information see https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/member-services/health-benefits-information
If you already have an account for the Osage Nation Limited Health Benefit Plan Card, the 2017 Online Enrollment is available at https://maa-tpa.lh1ondemand.com
WindWaste is a non-profit organization dedicated to educating Oklahomans about the harmful effects of Industrial Wind. See http://windwaste.com/2016/08/29/industrial-wind-estimated-cost-oklahoma-5-2-billion/
Christmas shopping December 3, 2016 at the Osage Cultural Center with Santa! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1677547692560884&set=o.87889453996&type=3&theater
http://www.osagelanguage.com/ Thanks to Jim Ryan for pointing this important information out on his FB web page over here https://www.facebook.com/groups/234024393278360/
What do we think about this? Legalize Medical Marijuana In The Osage Nation https://www.facebook.com/Legalize-Medical-Marijuana-In-The-Osage-Nation-949709851808795/ Osages with nutritional problems, nausea when Zofran won't cut it and problems with even having hunger can benefit from Marinol.
I done tole you and tole you! "As Treasurer, Alexander said he would like to help streamline the accounting process, noting the Nation has over 150 programs “and that’s a mess frankly and it’s complicated and I think we can do better than that, make it easier on everybody.” http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/10/27/alexander-confirmed-treasurer-other-appointees-confirmed-one-denied/ Hahahahahahahaha! PAY ATTENTION HERE BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS! And the Executive Brnach of the Osage Nation thinks it can compact and run the OME? Get out of town! No way, no how. Glad to see the Shaw appointment didn't go through. Something right for once to pin our slender by a thread hopes on.
How many of those 150 programs help the 80% or 15,350 of a total of 19,200 Osage Nation members who do not live in Osage County? T H R E E. Actually only T W O while you're still alive. #1 -- Health Card and Medicare Plan F (while you're alive). #2 -- Higher education (while you're alive). #3 -- Burial Assistance (actually benefits the family left behind after you're dead).
Ok Ill do better than these programs are geared for 1. Health Card as opposed to giving us the 500.00 how many Osages apply? Or have applied? And the reason they did it this way was because of tax purposes right? 2. Higher education isn't this program for grades 1-12 3. Burial assistance is way cheeper than giving a per-cap out when they the Osage Government knows most have this covered. So what is our Government doing other than creating more regulations?
Corruption happens because the people in charge not only make it happen; they make sure it keeps happening. They don’t see it as corruption. As gaming the system. There was a pie, a very large and tempting pie, and they saw how people with access to the pie kept cutting off huge pieces for themselves, so when they got a chance to decide how big their piece would be, they did not think, “I will leave as much pie as possible for other people.” They cut themselves a generous slice, befitting their status as civic leader. So this is what is going on with our tribe no different than the USA. We have had a rough 10 years to say the least, all of you want to change the dynamics then we have to let our legislative body know this and this is where it begins. This article by Jame Giago Davies is a columnist for Indian Country today. He posted on INDIANZ.COM Corruption keeps the privilege in power. But what is happening here could we be in the middle of a new movement, we could be. This much we know the Osage needs a voice and it's not GSB. Long live the Osage Tribe and bless our People.
http://www.nativesunnews.today/news/2016-10-26/Voices_of_the_People/Aint_nobody_here_but_us_chickens.html Knuckleheads. Yes. To put it that nicely is obscene. We vote for who runs for office and the election office with its election law changes is making it more and more difficult to run for elected office if you don't live in Osage County. Now I think you have to be there in person for your own recount as a punishing measure for even having slapped down the $500 for the recount because they tried to get away with only counting your votes, because hard work was so difficult for them to endure even for the two days it took to recount the votes, and all because the public went ape s**t over a one candidate vote recount. Sickening. Someone needs to step up outside the circle and run for office as a "clean up the corruption and get the locusts off the payroll" candidate. These elected officials are afraid of the Osages they serve in-county. You can smell the fear when they vote for budget bills that are so rude hell itself wouldn't have it. I firmly believe it's more than just being reelected. At every contentious vote, for example, Archie Mason always seems to be absent.
For what? He's as big a part of the problem as the rest of them because he votes to further it every damn year he's been in office. Nice guys finish first in his case. But he isn't really nice. He's just as corrupt as the rest of them and a coward too. Even if RJ is the Executive's man in Congress just like his Aunt, Debbie Littleton-whats-her-foot, used to be, at least he will stand up for his principles every so often.
New Weekly Friday Report on the activities of the Osage Nation Congress: Let's see what our money is buying for us today: $1,328,202 appropriation to the Osage Nation Congressional Branch for salaries, wages and benefits for 2016/2017: A BIG WEEK for the Osage Nation Congress --->>> https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/calendar
It is not at all uncommon for those elected to office to serve all of the people soon find that there are many opportunities to not only help themselves, but also to find ways and means to help their relatives.Remember that piece of the "PIE". Our "Casino's", what they do not want tell you is it is fluid enough to get a piece of that "PIE". Thats another secret that they do not want to share with you. Wow the word INTENT is and the meaning behind that word and what that means to the OSAGE. In other words the Intent of becoming a Government was built around the Casino's and the Intent was to share that piece of the PIE right. I know the truth and so do you. By chance always looking to support what I have been saying for a while change needs to come to the Osage in a big way time to end the Nepotism and Cronyism and get to work on real issues that plague are long over due Villages and surrounding neighbors by building our infrastructure and we sure do not do that by buying a empty bank or throwing 74,000,000. at a Ranch that is now in dispute and the rhetoric that surrounds the politics on the reservation, oops we don't have one any longer because the diligence was lost somewhere in the quagmire or as I coin it, lost in communication and by no accident. Should we wake up to the reality the Osage has been had? After watching the elections this year, you can't help but see how we are in the same boat. Hillary and the scandal that follows her and thats her burden she created this dirt and no one is to blame but herself. My point you dont have to look far to see how our Government parallels Hillarys scandals. Joe forgive me MahaskaShay did I spell it right and the some to the board members of the OSAGE LLc. Millions lost there. All of a sudden we are losing fists hand over money is what I call it. Well it is long over due we get a PER-CAP out ot our people the true intent of our CASINO'S. Want to put a wager on it.
Here is the Article I was referring to http://www.indianz.com/News/2016/10/28/native-sun-news-today-editorial-the-rich.asp The richer get richer and the poor get poorer on the Rez.
In the end we can do better. You dont build respect by building big towers, any come to mind? Or Statues? See it thru the eyes of your people. A stronger future for our Osage, fiscal responsibility is needed. Or a one page rewrite of our Constitution needs to happen.
Wow Hillary Clinton and the trouble that follows ah I think we need to end the Nepotism and Cronyism, just because they are working in different departments does not mean they are not getting paid by the Nation, its all the same.
Hey California Osages, what was said about the ranch at your meeting? All we know back here in the homeland is that it is up for bid/lease. Thanks in advance.
I just love the word choice of this CNN e-mail blast: "Americans will cast their verdicts on Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump Tuesday after an exhausting, acrimonious campaign that at times revolted the nation and tore at its fabric." "Verdict" is succinctly right.
Congratulations Trump. Trump does not like Wind Farms now is time to appeal to The Trump,administration to tear down those farms and stay off Indian Land. It is time we we do something about this and dwell into why thisnhappened in the first place. He said this is a Ponzi scheme and I always knew it to be a tax on our society. we can't afford paying the subsidies. Stand alone Wind Farms not on the back of the AI or the American People.
Maybe we can drain the swamp in our Tribe and start thinking about our Infrastructure as promised,as promised get that Per-Cap to the Osage our people enough of the lies. Just maybe Standing Bear will hear his people and leave the ME alone and build a relationship once again with the MC and like wise. Enough is enough. But at this point, I do not see that happening, why because a lot of us feel that you are self absorbed and can not be trusted.
GM to Lay Off 2,000 Workers at Two U.S. Plants Due to Slowing Sales. Ok this is scary because the Auto industry is the barometer to our economy, one of many of course. THis does not happen in a robust economy. Smaller Government GSB.
My takeaway is that at least we have an honest and truthful election on the ground. I never in this world thought that Trump would carry the day and here is. This is good and we should all be grateful for that at the very least. Hillary gave a fabulous concession speech and for that I sincerely and greatly respect her.
Hillary had no choice and I do not respect her ever Gobsmacked. With the corruption that faces her after the new year should be interesting. The media bias was awful and the uphill battle was horrendous for Trump.I like Trump, he seemed very genuine, but that is what was said about Obama right. This will be good for the ME once we roll back the bad regs. Do we need to rewrite our Constitution let Trump be the barometer for that discussion. It is time we have our movement and take back our Tribe? Can we support career Politicians or do we set time limits and I say yes. Do we need to build our infrastructure and bring jobs, yes we need to move towards that common ground. Time to give back our Government to our People.I have been saying this for awhile.
Maybe I need to lisren to your perspective with due respect. But I do know what works something we use to have is cohesiveness, something missing. We talk a hig talk little said.
The only realistic hope for the Osage is a new constitution. The current government is just bloat. Its like what happens when a hoarder lives in a big house. They have to fill every available space with detritus. A chief, assistant chief, and three representatives for each district. No term limits, but have provisions for elections if our for-profit businesses fail to meet expected financial goals. And have a provision that keeps the government out of the culture.
How about rewrite the Constitution and restore the Government back to its original true body the M.C as per the 1906 Act as amended? Becuase our Constitution mirrors closely the U.S Constitution. That being said with the laws to prtect against the huge conflicts of interest, needs to change and fast. 10 years of this and what has been done except Government bloat. At least Ewards is trying to do something about it, like curbing some of the entertainments and saving a buck or two, ie. Merit pay vs. principal pay. That girl who is passing this petition around just because she wants more paid leave really? 4 weeks is more than enough now she wants time off when in the real working world even this does not happen. Not only that Merit pay is better in the long run. Her raises will go up and stay that way, being awarded does not pay in the long run and she is cutting her nose to spite her face. Remember you can be replaced.
Who pays her checks, comes all from the same pool, oh we do, The Osage people, do you think you are a federal employee to desrve 8 weeks paid time off? Ah, no thank you. And that probably does not even include paid Holidays, or her health care, 401k. Shame on her for passing this petition. Then she wants to be rewarded futher....talk about greed.
If Congressional representatives are to come from only the three districts then drop the number available for Federal Grants down to the number of those Osages who live on site in the Villages. That ought to be about what? 50-100 Osages in number. So long Medical program and all other compacts. Don't be so short sighted. No one will vote for a new Osage Constitution if nearly every one of them is cast outside in the cold.
Well the way i see if the Donald can do it so can we with plenty of vigor to support and we can awaken those who have been asleep surly to ablige the will of the People!!!!!
Miya you jerk! 32 and a half days off for PTO, IOW, paid time off plus all the other days off for funerals, the dances, the weather, holidays! Where do you think you are Italy to roll out a petition like this? Because the Nation is tired of being taken advantage of every time you workers turn around? You're from out of state but you sure have learned quick how to get on the dole and take advantage of it big time. You know better than this. Shame on you! What happened? Did you move back home and fall on your head when you got there?
I like how she uses our Cultural background as a excuse to get more time off. In the real world we have to use our vacation time for time off. I hpoe no one signs this petition she is circling around.
Fantasizing about the previous government needs to be tempered with the simple fact that the minerals council created the current mess through their inaction.
Whatever survival sense that kept the Osage alive through the centuries was clearly supplanted at some point. Replaced with a kind of artificial hubris. Say all the right words in the right order, and people will assume a level of depth that isn't really there. That the person speaking is just mimicking those who came before, who were just mimicking those in the tribe who actually had that depth of understanding. Likely the result of some kind of chthonic infection. Some witless idiot was allowed to play with things they shouldn't have, and the next thing you know its the industrial revolution with all the dehumanizing effects its brought. Seriously, only something from hell could imagine the bloated bureaucracies representing all that is modern government today.
Weekly Congressional Friday Report Early due to Veteran's Day tomorrow: Not one single solitary Osage Congressional Meeting for this week with Friday off! https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/calendar
Again, no fines or punitive action taken in most of the legislation signed into Osage law but an over-abundance of it in the Election Laws while the election board and the Supervisor tightens their grip on who gets to run for Office. Who are these people to determine who is a serious candidate to run for office? Who the hell do they think they are? Plus they don't want to send out certified mail to the candidates because it's a waste of money? What to only 16 people in the last election? Could they be more lazy or what? I can smell their laziness outside the bathroom from a mile off! Do your job or get out the way for someone who really cares about working as hard and as long as possible to make certain that we have a free and fair election come June of 2018. Buhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of particular note which may make it even more difficult to run for Congress and jump through even more hoops that there are already: "Amendments to the Nation’s election code and rules/ regulations. The ON Election Board has developed proposed amendments to the two documents regarding the governing of elections." Special Session of the Osage Nation Congress on November 28, 2016 --->>>
Seriously 500 trubines coming to Osage again. Listen, who what when and where how is this happening and at the same time our interest is being protected by the BIA? The M.C. Tell this Administration to pound sand and we will fight them till Trump lands Office and I would like to know who's getting the kickbacks?
The MC did sue and that crooked court ruled against them. This was the one where one from one of the big landowner families in OC recused himself and the one that took over the case did exactly what the recused one would have done. Get your facts straight before you go criticizing the MC. That's why SB wanted to get into the case and try and correct things but OC is in play now and the non-Osages are making their move that they have waited for ever since they bought the land. Jim Gray and his folly with trying to get out of paying state taxes for one single employee and that tax lawsuit that took away the reservation status in Federal Court was the in on taking away those mineral rights and if they can't get them back they will put up wind machines all over OC to stop the Osages from drilling. It's a mess all brought about by this interloper Osage government headed up by Hepsi Barnett, the OGRC and Jim Gray who was the go to guy on this catastrophe. Place the blame where it belongs for once and not wherever you feel like.
But at least Jim Gray and his cronies are quite wealthy now and their families are in very very well paid positions in the Osage government. All that matters is the money they can grab for themselves.
ONCA 17-02 - (Congressman William “Kugee” Supernaw) An appropriation bill to authorize and distribute $1 million to Tallgrass Economic Development LLC. If approved, Tallgrass would receive the $1 million from the Nation’s economic development fund for the purpose of securing bonding. What is the economic development Kugee? This is not chump change. Has our Congress done the diligence before we just hand Tallgrass the money? When providing information in regards to any appropriation the pros and cons should be in detail in any initiative or legislative act and or proposal. All to often mistakes are made at the expense of the people money.
Earlier this year the TED board (OLLC board, too BTW) was talking about the $6 to $7 million in projects the construction company would complete by year end. They claimed to be making a 10% margin. Add to this the $1.5 million already available to TED's construction company for bonding and there should be no need for another $1 million in funding for bonds. What are they doing with the money?
That's the million dollar question and inquiry is needed before this money is allocated? The board needs to be more transparent. Or here we go again have we not learned from the past? ie,(Osage Llc)
Actually, TED is in reality Osage LLC. The subsidiaries are still listed in SAM.gov as Osage Innovative Solutions and Osage Pinnacle Design Group. According to the last public report by the Enterprise Board, these companies had not been formally transferred over. Why? Because transferring these companies away from Osage LLC would jeopardize their 8(a) Small Disadvantaged Business certifications.
Hmmm? It would be prudent to make the move complete, since the Osage llc is not performing, and no longer the parent company? To insure no corruption or the appearance of impropriety is not occurring? Is there any distributions and if so, where is going to? Back to the Osage? Mostly, is the Board the same people who were on the Board of the Osage llc?
The recordings of the Com Econ committee will answer most of your questions. Technically, the former OLLC board was appointed to the TED board and OLLC no longer has a board. However, the TED board continues to manage OLLC in addition to controlling TED. For all intents and purposes, TED is just an alter ego of OLLC. Same mission. Same articles of organization and operation. Same subsidiaries. Same management (at least initially).
Thank you for responding. So now there is a Tall Grass construction, Osage Manhatten Builders, Osage Pinnacle design, a construction company. Hmmmm. So, is TED bringing in the dough or is money being thrown around like its free for all? And what is in place to protect the interest of the Osage and most importantly where are if any the Distributions going? If any?
Tallgrass Construction is Osage Pinnacle Design Group. If you look at the record on SAM.gov you'll see that Tallgrass Construction is a DBA (doing business as) for the real company.
As for Osage Manhattan Builders, it was never anything more than a work of fiction to enable Manhattan Builders, a division of Manhattan Construction (the first corporation to exist in OK), to get work based on its "Native American ownership". In was represented to be a joint venture, but it was wholly managed and staffed by Manhattan Builders personnel.
In much the same way, Osage Pinnacle Design Group started out as a joint venture with Pinnacle Design Group. Even after transitioning to full ownership by Osage LLC, OPDG was completely reliant upon Pinnacle Design Group for management, staffing, and performance of projects.
Only recently has OPDG hired a person with skills relevant to the industry and having some potential to run a construction company. That said, OPDG is still more fiction than fact and is reliant upon actual construction companies to perform the projects it takes on.
To many fingers in the cookie jar...The goal for profit margin? Considering the economy? Sure would like to see where the money is going? Endless round table of a bunch of Benjamins exchanging hands. This is a gold mine if I ever saw. Headed for a repeat and the meaning of insanity, doing the same thing over again and expecting a different outcome. If I were a Congressional speaker I would be wanting to talk to the committee and verify that the diligence has been done by the Board. After all lets not forget who is working for who. For the Osage People, so I ask when these projects come about or contracts etc..what is the profit or distribution where is it going into a general fund? And or if any profit are we vesting it if any, putting it back into our communities? As well as building another casino it is time for a Per-Cap..maybe if the merit law can change with just a petition I am sure everyone will vote for this and vote in the coming election if this was on the ballot. Its time.
So here we go again back in Court because the Chief would like to spend whatever whenever and take money from here to here and move it.Hope Congress refutes his claim and wins. Congress has the daunting task of fiscal responsibility and I would like to keep it there. Laws need to be better weritten before they are signed into law. Effective writing is needed to insure the stability of the law that is being proposed. List the pros and cons. It will prevent and save the Osage money better spent else where. The executive wants more power and I say not until this Chief is gone or re-called. Merit based law works quit your whining. Save the Osage some money make the employee realize in the long run you will make more money. No job is safe either way. This law creates the incentive to do better and calls for a yearly increase based upon your work ethics and if you have nothing to worry about you will earn your raise and permanently. The laws of the U.S. are changing allowing for maternity leave for both parents and 3 days of paid sick leave. Who gets sick for two weeks? Pneumonia maybe, all preventable by a shot...You can get the article from Osagenews/org/en/.
This one is a super duper doozy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWcGHNO8wsw&feature=youtu.be Wrong Kugee. The complains are about you all spending like drunken sailors on YOURSELVES and by that I mean those who live in Osage County. A per-cap would be in order if you people didn't find a thousand million things to spend our money on by and large, when it financially benefits only 12% of the membership and those who collect a paycheck from the Osage Nation.
Put it on the Ballot Kugee. 13% of Osages live in and around the Area some are complaining that the Merit law is to strict with the money, well we want a Per-Cap like everyohter Tribe. . If we handle ourselves poorly, neither history – nor elections – will judge us kindly.
Plus they feel they are entitled to a month off or more for one reason or another. You'd think these people were Italian the way they use up our money and don't even work for it 1/12th + of the year. Edwards wants to cap what the Osage Nation government employees get in salary, taxes, benefits and 3% yearly merit bonuses at 52% of projected yearly revenue !!!!!!!!!!!!! With that at approximately $50 million and 490 employees not including the Casinos which is separate and not part of the Osage Nation budget, this works out to an average compensation plus taxes and benefits overall of $102,040 per employee a year -- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- and a personal income loss to every single Osage of roughly $2,350 a year in a per capita payment. In the last year, when, how many times and what have any of these employees done for you? These money suckers are worthy of our highest possible level of contempt. It's so abominable, awful, detestable, abhorrent, atrocious, awful, bad, base, beastly, cursed, despicable, disgusting, foul, grim, grody, gross, hateful, heinous, hellish, horrible, horrid, loathsome, lousy, nauseating, obnoxious, odious, offensive, repellent, reprehensible, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, rotten, sleazy, stinking, terrible, vile, and wretched it's like the video of this man who is being eaten alive as the visual representation of what the Osage Nation government is like to those who don't work there and don't benefit. Not that they care as long as the money keeps coming and until they finally hit the wall and find out they can't afford to pay for everything they're spending money on when the bills finally come due. Your benefits as members will be the first to go until it's them and only them who benefit in any way from the Osage Nation government. VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED -- >>>> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13a38m_disturbing-man-eaten-alive-by-maggots_shortfilms Did you see that they want $4,000 a year for the Sovereignty Day celebration? For 88% of us, what exactly is there to celebrate? Con artists and thieves preying on the Osage Treasury? The loss of our Reservation as a result of their stupidity? Lawyers eating up hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars a year and 20 more or less on the payroll not including the Judicial Branch whose members at the highest level make representations about Acts of the U.S. Congress passed into law that are completely false. Lawsuits between branches of government that are destroying the balance of power and as a result, destroying the whole thing one lawsuit at a time. Trips to Belize, France, all around the country with our money and the list goes on and on and on and on.
Sovereignty is now Greed and the reason this Government was formed was to allow more members ie, Osages a right to vote and to federal funds, not to take and not give back to the very Osage they sworn to protect,and who are working for us. The Hypocrisy astounds. Elections soon to happen, and change needs to come in the worse way, make Osage Great again sounds about right. For every dollar spent on pet projects match the dollar for the Osage. Not to say there have not been great things that has happened. Our dollars working for us seems to have gone by the way side. Priorities misplaced. Are we making money from the Bluestem Ranch yet? Have the hedge fund managers been charged in the Osage llc case yet? And why has not the Chief spoken out about why the five man village case basically got a slap on the wrist for stealing our money? I can tell you why it happened, greed,no protections in place and allowed for this embezzlement, what it amounts to.
Numbers on the long post are skewed. $51,000 average total per employee is more like it and $1,200 per each Osage in a percap payment. If none of them were on the dole and working for the Nation, of course.
Yes, since the new government (2006), we witness so much money going down the drain (big money)and missing. Does anyone know of any tribe that has their own wells? If we owned them and being sovereign, would we have to abide by most of the new BIA rules, like fines? Would the Nation be better off to abolish this LLC attempts and start anew of the drawing board, a new dept., new strategy to make money.
Dakota Pipeline--CNN Breaking News: pipeline has to be re-routed. Army Corp. of Engineers not going to issue permit because of possibility of pipeline mishaps.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/04/504354503/army-corps-denies-easement-for-dakota-access-pipeline-says-tribal-organization You know, if a few members who don't like how this Osage Nation government is being run would put together a protest of the countless number of things they do that we don't like, maybe changes would take place.
Maybe if everyone knew what was going on at the Nation would make all the difference when it comes to transparency. The Congress needs to do the diligence, When these bills come to Congress for appropriation they need to be better written lisytijg the pros and cons when deemed if not send it back.
They don't have the guts to send them back. It's all a circus act to manipulate those of us who don't live there. They want to spend what's in those padded bills or it wouldn't be spent. $3-5 million every year padded in to keep away from us and to spend on them. Twelve against 1? Not! If we really knew what they actually think about us, we would never give them a vote again. The $30 million they have in the so called permanent fund is labeled as to be used for direct services to the Osage people only but in reality, it's used as collateral for the ginormous loans they have nowadays and can't be touched.
What I have to say is no surprise. When the will of our people come together culturally because as a Sovereign people we are strong united, not divided can we make a difference in peoples lives. Because the will is in all of us. Remember this Government works for us not for themselves and it is our decision not the other way around. And the power lies in the palm of hands The Osage.
Actually, according to this article: ""The casinos have guaranteed the loan for the purchase of the Bluestem Ranch in Osage County.”" Great! What happens to the Casinos if they default on the loans? The bank owns the Casinos?
I will say this Thank you for the update on our gaming status, though I think it is time to "drain thr swamp". Paying someone not to put in games is a scam. We have our Loyal gamers and the letter of intent is we want to stretch our demographics. A win win for the state and if we eliminate the waste,ie lobbying we could put that money to better use, maybe to build another grocery store in the area? A great thought. We can stand on our own at this point in the game.That is $504,000 per year to Fair Meadows; $1.5 million per year to the OHRA and $5.5 million to the state per year for a total of $7.5 million, according to the compact. Sounds like pay to play with our money, maybe with that money we coukd put some of that back in the hands of our peopel and maybe we should write a letter to Gov. Fallen and see what she has to say all the while it would be an opinion right. How about making that money work for the Osage? Per-Cap? How about matching that money we have to pay to keep them from putting games in their establishments such as those we pay to play lobby for the Osage people. We could be saving half of that money and applying it to job growth where ever it is to be had in a market today. Unbelievable here it is in black and white posted in the Osage news. The Chief applying for a New compact with the state of OK. We need to think and do for ourselves.
Principal Chief Geoffrey Standing Bear has called the Fifth Osage Nation Congress into a 4th Special Session scheduled for Dec. 27 to begin at 10 a.m. One subject is listed: Approval of Limited Waiver of Sovereign Immunity to Enter Into Contract with PayCom. What is wrong with ADP we have a contract with them already?
YES! Out of the question! They work little enough as it is already. I mean 1 (one) meeting of any kind in June of 2016? Three day's work in May of 2016? Click on the back arrow to see what they did and when: https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/calendar
$44,000 for that stupid election on gay marriages that they should have had the courage of their convictions to stand up to and vote either up or down. Cowards the lot! https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/sessions Take a look at the Agenda for December 6, 2016: Gutless no counts -- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what I am talking about cut the waste this is a bedroom issue and should stay that way and what a waste of Osages money. The U.S already has taken the stand on this issue. How assnine. The same goes for roe vs wade stay out of the individual choice not that late terms should ever be terminated. Simple you live your life and we live our life and we are all the better for it. PC is out the door.
"Also, according to ONCR 17-08, the Nation is projected to receive $48 million in tribal revenue and $25.5 million in non-tribal revenue from sources including federal grants." No way do we have $25.5 million in benefits to the Osage membership overall despite the fact that those who live back home receive this amount from the Feds based on our numbers, not on those who live in Osage County. Those who cannot avail themselves of this funding sit at around 88% of the entire membership. This is upside down and they are still skimming 1-2 million bucks off the top of each yearly budget to put in one reserve fund or another to keep it away from all of the rest of us. This should be brought to the attention of the Federal authorities as soon as possible. The Federal funds should be more like 60-65% of what they are now or $16.5 million overall and that's being generous.
I am watching and numbers speaks in volumes they don't lie, people do. Thats not ok by any means. We are going to see a different or change in the future with a New Chief that will lead and make the little and big Osage great again Making Government work for us and not their pockets. I caanot wrap my head around we are today, paying someone to play. It's one thing if the lobbies were for the Osage and not the Osage Nation. But lobbies are all about the benjamins and self interest. Like I said for every dollar we spend on our Government ventures match it for the Osage.
War and Peace Ceremonies of the Osage Indians will be the topic. https://www.facebook.com/OsageNews/photos/a.153834188010750.33094.134873493240153/1281805611880263/?type=3&theater
"The other defendants not subject to the Nation’s default judgment filing are Leese, Yancy Red Corn and Betsy Brown of Red Eagle Feather Distributing LLC." Of course not. Yancy is an Osage related to that guy who predatorily walks up, hugs and kisses women on the mouth he doesn't even know. Second of all, isn't this reporting by the Osage News a little late? Or is this hearing scheduled on November 15th of 2017? WTH?
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/12/12/nov-15-hearing-scheduled-lawsuits-against-former-osage-llc-management/ These people knew Leese was a bad bet from the beginning. Why isn't the Osage Congress and the Chiefs responsible named for handing out money they knew was throwing good money after bad or should have known after the first infusion of cash went bad after the first year or so?
The hearing was held on November 15, 2016. A notice of the filing of a 30 page transcript of the proceedings was published on December 8, 2016. Had all of the named defendants appeared in court in a timely manner and made appropriate arguments, all three of the cases would have been thrown out of the Osage County District Court for lack of standing.
Osage LLC was never a legal entity of the State of Oklahoma, nor was it registered as a foreign entity, and as such it could have been prevented from bringing a legal action in an Oklahoma court or even a federal court. However, an argument related to lack of standing under Oklahoma Statutes requires it be timely filed else the courts will let stand a complaint which otherwise cannot be brought before the court.
The victory relies on the defendants ignoring the matter and/or not getting legal counsel eligible to be heard in an Oklahoma court. The cases not being dismissed shortly after being filed is due to the defendants retaining legal counsel unable to research the status of Osage LLC and file a proper motion for dismissal. The ON got lucky with this default judgment.
What we have is a failure of gross competency. And ripe to happen again, the ball was dropped straight cross the board. The Government authorised the appropriation blindly to the OLLC. You can say all day the board was lied to in buisness you verify...verify...verify..and it happens all the time, crony capitalism by all appearances until they get caught with there hand in the cookie jar. What bothers me most is why all these perks and who authorized such expenditures? When does the Osage wake up to the fact if we dont hold ourselves accountable the appearance of impropriety takes more of a sinister appearance, corruption from with-in. And then the next excuse will be well this is all our law allows us and then I say B.S. Because that excuse only works once. Change could not come sooner and it will be the will of the people, the Osage Tribe.
A motion was filed with the Osage County District Court on December 12, 2016 to vacate the default judgment pursuant to 12 O.S. 31.1. How the removal of records or files from the office of the court clerk plays into this case is a question that cannot be answered at this time because the document is not available online for review at this time.
The motion to vacate judgment has been posted. It is actually based on 12 O.S. 1031.1 instead of the erroneous synopsis posted on OSCN.net.
One of the included arguments for vacating the judgment is a statement by Plaintiff's at page 5 of their pleading on November 10, 2016 which reads, "Plaintiffs have not sought default judgment as a discovery sanction." The Defendants further argue that the Court Minute of November 15, 2016 does not constitute a judgment under Oklahoma law. There are two appellate court decisions which held that a Court Minute "could not be considered as a judgment, decree or appealable Order".
While the New Market parties were late in retaining legal counsel, it appears they finally engaged one who is competent. If the judgment isn't vacated by Judge Kane then it will be vacated on appeal. Why doesn't OLLC and the ON retain better attorneys? They certainly pay enough.
But it's da lawyer Amanda Proctor, don't you know? She's been waiting in the wings for years to be on the Osage Nation dole complaining all the way until she was and now her sister is on the gaming board too!
Heard from one eminently credible source that she is charging big bucks for her work on the case. She's also the one that's supposed to get the OME Shareholders an accounting of the HPP lawsuit information but something went wrong when she went back into court and from what I'm hearing, she went too far and the whole thing got sent down or set back some way or another. I think they are appealing the case again. Had something to do with her fees or costs as an attorney that were being asked for that the court said she was on a contingency basis and since no money was being asked for in the case, only an accounting, the lawyers couldn't be paid by the court. Funniest thing I ever heard of in my life. Only in the Osage. People have worked on that case for years and years and years and I wonder if anyone as an attorney of record at any given time has ever been paid a dime for their services.
Congressman Supernaw has put out a new "Notes to the Nation" with in depth information about the purchase of the Bluestem Ranch. If you wish to receive a copy of this newsletter and others in future, contact Kugee at supernaw@flash.net and he will place you on his e-mail list.
"Management Fraud is intentional misstatements or omissions of amounts or disclosures in financial statements." https://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/pubs/red_flags_fraud.pdf I'd say the playing field is littered with red flags where the Osage Nation government and its accounting process is involved. Taking from one set budget and giving to another set budget? Moving amounts of money anywhere they want and having no rule or policy or procedure or law to stop money from flying around all over the place from one budget to the other budgets in one Branch of government! Simply because the Osage Congress doesn't want to be called back into session to adjust budget appropriations on this basis when needed! I'd say weak internal controls is at the very foundation of this dire situation that is reported to go on all the time with Osage Nation accounting.
Right...Congress clean the swamp!!!! What is the true expenditure for that line Item? Moving money from one line to another does not give you the real figure of the operating cost of that line Item. The carry over should roll over into the next year for that line item budget and at the end of that year should zero out. The appearance is we are always operating at cost when in fact that is not a true figure and then gives you the appearance of impropriety exists. For all intense purposes robbing peter to pay paul and then you have to look futher and follow the paper trail..the red flags are there and there are some who are realizing, there are Osages that are wise to the shenanigans and loopeholes that exists to the disadvantages of the Osage. Cost Overruns can be better negotiated in our contracts and should be paid by the Contractor, never should we pay this allows for better estimating by the contractor...So when I se what is costing the Osage how much mone1y to build this or that tells a story indeed. So we want a leader that is Transparent and will hold themselves to the Oath they took before they took the position that they are in and hold them to a standard that we deserve. Merry Christmas. A New year is here, a future is in our stars. We always have "Hope", and we must protect what it means to be Sovereign, we as a people, remember our elders and those who have made us what we aspire togetherpast , present and the future, makes us who we are today, We are Osage.
Anything in the world to keep from paying out a per capita payment --->>> http://osagenews.org/en/article/2016/12/16/committee-formed-pursue-economic-and-tourism-opportunities-missouri/
4th Special Session of the Osage Congress today: For today, Agenda, Tracker, audio and video: https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/sessions
ONCA 17-16, An Act to appropriate the sum of ninety thousand dollars ($90,000) to the Language and Cultural Resources Division to conserve and copy the "Osage Mission Collection" at the Jesuit Archives in St. Louis, Missouri; and to establish an altenate effective date. (Hamilton) $90,000? Why don't you ever start out with $1,000 or $2,000? Out of the fund that was just created? That fund was created with funds that were over budgeted and captured by the Osage Congress to keep it from going to the Osage people to fund benefits for Osages all over the country who really need it.
The $40-45,000 per each Osage County Osage kid, kids: https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/news/hands-learning-enhances-indigenous-language-immersion-osage-toddlers Lotta silver spoons could be bought for Osage children all over the country for this much jack, folks.
How President Obama Has Protected Our Sacred Land for Future Generations https://medium.com/the-white-house/how-president-obama-has-protected-our-sacred-land-for-future-generations-e949d389bd16#.iwl1arcz2
OMG! Do you mean to tell me that there is one member of Congress besides Kugee who will stand up for honesty, integrity and ethics in the Osage Nation government from our elected officials? GO TO Congressman Tillman! Get rid of those feral hogs on the Bluestem and observe the highest law of the land; the Osage Nation Constitution: And I quote:
ARTICLE X - CODE OF ETHICS Section 8. Independence of Boards and Commissions: Tribal officials and employees shall refrain from using tribal positions to improperly influence the deliberations, administrations, or decisions of established board or commission proceedings.
The whole presentation in this Committee meeting was illegal in the first place under the Constitution of the Osage Nation. As far as I'm concerned, Congressman Tillman had no other alternative but to walk out of that meeting so he would not be participating in an unethical proceeding taking place in an official Osage Congressional meeting.
Poor you, Mr. Johnson. Man up or quit your job and get out of town! Good. You need to be beat up if you are engaging in illegal acts if you are in any way operational out from under the Bluestem Ranch Board.
Congress declines adding four special election questions to the ballot in March. That means two questions on the ballet cost twenty thousand dollars each. I would have rather preferred the additional questions on the Ballot. Who said it would be to much for a individual is calling us Osages stupid. Edwards you are completely wrong. Lets have that Conversation that is long over due. Who is Edwards to speak on the peoples behalf?
This is in regards to the removal of membership, personally I think one, the Nation and the BIA should be held liable for not vetting the enrollment process. Lack of diligence as well and should be held to accountability. How is this any different from 1888 when settlers were killing our Osage womenn to benefit financially by fraud, murder etc. Each and everyone of us can prove where we come from, what clan and sur name, with birth certs and so forth. Required by the enrollment process and our Constitution. Have Lintner take a DNA test and will end this dispute. Man, Red Eagle sorry to say just didn't have clue amd was feckless and has cost us so much money because of his incompetence. Truth. Reminds me of the wannabe Elizabeth Warren who wont take a DNA because her Grandmother talked about it so it must have been true, yet all of us know the truth as she boldly lies to us in our faces. You can find the article in the Osage News.org.
This is a gross and detestable error. DNA tests don't identify what Tribe you are from or even if you are from a Tribe of Native Americans. Anyone who tells you that this is so and has a company that puts this forward as fact or the truth is telling you a lie and it's a huge scam where tons of money is being made and those companies should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI for fraud.
Drama King or Queen up above. Nobody is getting murdered here. The Osage Constitution substantially says if you can prove up your lineage connection to one of the Original Osage Allottees on the 1906 roll, you can become a member of the Osage Nation. Why do some of you people always use in such a despicable way the tragedy that took place back in the late 1800's and early 1900's to try to scare and manipulate others to your way of thinking. It's disgraceful.
Thank you for responding. My thought yes, though it does not Identity what tribe you are from is just apart of a process and is not the equation. My clan is from Fairfax and we know who our family is, right? Recorded. And years ago. Its like saying my adopted brother is Osage but he is not. Our generation is not so far to not trace.
No just History and no drama queen here, your the drama queen. The point was totally missed by you is the fact that people lie. Duh, and a ot of people did back in the day.
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/12/30/osage-ancestry-indigenous-identity-and-dna/ Can't tell you if you're Osage so what the hell is the point and why even go to the expense? Another dead in the water idea being floated by the Executive Branch to scare everybody. It's sick and stupid and without merit of any kind at all.
Elizabeth Warren probably had a good chance to enroll in the Osage Nation in 2006. Anybody know if there was a quotum limit, like one-tenth over one-millionth?
Plus floated by that Judge Stout but in this case I think it has to do with DNA testing of other living descendants to prove genetic relationships and connections.
Ancestry.com’s DNA testing is loosely affiliated with the LDS Church (Mormon). Took a competitive test some years ago with my mother as a lark for fun as a Christmas present. Test came back that I was predominately Italian and she was predominately Spanish when we know that we are French, Native American and in my case, English as well. Went to a legitimate lab for a real test that will stand up in court and the test came back for both us that I am 99% her daughter and she is 99% my mother. Told them about the test we took and the man laughted and said the Native Amercan ancestry can't be defined by a DNA test and therefore a particular Tribal community genetic affiliation or relationship is out the question. This is a huge scam going on right under people's noses all over the USA and big bucks are being made on it and the FBI is standing back and doing nothing about it.
"He (StandingBear) said there can be no leases or encumbrances on the land made during the fee-to-trust process. Once the land is put into trust, all leases and encumbrances will be governed by federal law and Osage law." Then what are they doing handing out verbal leases to one or the other as is being reported? It could take years and years and years before this land gets taken into trust.
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/12/28/congressman-walks-out-commerce-meeting-over-management-bluestem-ranch/ Hang HEARTH! The terms and provisions of the Osage Constitution prevail here not some come lately statute. The Constitution specifically prohibits interference with business boards:
Section 8. Independence of Boards and Commissions: Tribal officials and employees shall refrain from using tribal positions to improperly influence the deliberations, administrations, or decisions of established board or commission proceedings. StandingBear is in strict violation of this section right up to his eyeballs.
Osage people need to watch closely what is being done at the ranch. The Chief formed a professional board to run the ranch with no political interference. Then he tried to interfere and the board showed they were independent as they should be and didn't bow down. He has done enough to have removal charges filed if the Congress has the guts to do it again. People should think about what has happened with ranch before they even think about supporting anything to do he wants to do with the oil business. Payment is bad enough already.
January 4, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Thank you! This is a brilliant post and I encourage everyone to read it about five times to let the wisdom and truth of it sink in.
Keep a close eye on the progress of this one -- Osage membership removal case going to trial http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/12/30/osage-membership-removal-case-going-trial/
Funny how it's OK to vote for same sex marriage that the members of Congress don't want to lose their jobs over in the ballot box but they wouldn't allow four other Resolutions to be added to the ballot making it far easier for the Osage Nation members to petition to make changes to their government with new amendments to the Constitution proposed by Alice Buffalohead:
ISTG! That Charles Red Corn is so full of crap. FDR and his wife are not royalty of any kind. FDR was elected under a constitutional democracy not a constitutional monarchy. Chief Fred Lookout was elected by the majority of Osage Headright owners under the 1906 Allotment Act provisions. He wasn't royal either despite what language may have been bandied back and forth in the days of old. Royal people are those who are crowned and coronated as king. Nobody in either case, FDR or Fred Lookout or their wives have ever worn a crown in the USA or in the Osage since the 1800's. I get so tired of the spin the and the hype with some of these silly puffed up people who write and edit the Osage News. Good grief!
Finally some good news to share about fiscal responsibility in the Osage Nation government. The Pope is a Jesuit. Let him find funds in the sumptuously rich Vatican to pay for these Archives in ST. LOUIS, Missouri! Osage Congress votes down appropriation for preservation of Jesuit archives of Osage Mission Collection --->>> http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2017/01/05/osage-congress-votes-down-appropriation-preservation-jesuit-archives-osage-mission-collection/ High fives to Supernaw, Tillman, Buffalohead and Pratt who voted against spending $90,000 of the Osage people's money on this inappropriate appropriation.
It is my understanding the Four Sixes Ranch of Texas delivered two semi-loads of cattle to the Bluestem Ranch today. I am utterly disappointed. The Chief's decision to allow a non-Osage company to profit off of our asset seems reminiscent of the federal paternalism the Osage were forced to deal with over 100 years ago. (In 1896, Henry Foster of Kansas acquired a blanket lease for the entire Osage reservation. He developed our minerals estate and Osages received a royalty portion of the proceeds.)
While acquiring the Bluestem Ranch property the Executive and Congress made provision to operate our own asset.Through Tallgrass LLC the Nation owns Bluestem Ranch LLC--it is well funded and ready to work for us. The Chief and Tallgrass LLC formed the subsidiary for the purpose of developing a wholly owned Osage ranching operation and to centralize the Bluestem Ranch land management. Two of the most persuasive points used by the Chief to gain support for Bluestem Ranch LLC were that the business would have an operations advantage because (1. there is no mortgage payment and (2. the lease payment would be nominal. Essentially, the cost of land is covered by the casino and the board would cover maintenance costs.
The Chief appointed and Congress confirmed well qualified OSAGE board members. The board has submitted an Annual Plan of Operation, which has been reviewed and approved by Congress. It is unclear why the Chief has completely abandoned his original plan presented to Congress, Bluestem Ranch Board and the Osage people. This reversal seems personal in nature. This decision has not departed far from the federal ideology, 'Let someone else work your asset and just take a little of their profit.' Knowing we could have realized the full benefit of our asset and that we were prepared to develop and execute an "Osage" plan, I will never think this is a good idea!
Thank you for your comment about this new Bluestem Ranch development. First of all, a "Gentleman's Agreement?" This is crazy. Leases for any purpose where real property is involved need to be in writing. If we can't put land into trust that is encumbered, shouldn't we be running our own operation?
See all posted entries under "Jim Ryan shared a link. December 30, 2016 at 6:02pm" at https://www.facebook.com/groups/234024393278360/ Pay particular attention to the comments by Chief StandingBear and Kugee Supernaw. They are very revealing.
He is exactly rightJim Ryan and Kugee, our future is on the line with this Ranch. And to maintain it any other way than the original proposal will discredit our Chief, our faith inour Constitution and our Congress of which he has done a pretty good job doing that on his own. Our Congress needs to hold a special session and once and for all tell the Chief back off and we shouldn't have to go there but we can. Public opinion is needed and Thank Jim Ryan we need to start and look at why these underlying narrative behind this and it is becoming to look like revenue exchange on a endless round table. Ripe for corruption. And our Chief is in the mix of this and I am not liking this one bit. Come on Congress it long over due you do this with your eyes wide open and do the diligence. I know money all to well and how to make it and managed multi million dollar buisness and you just don't throw money after money with out understanding how a buisness works.
The Bluestem Board began having trouble with the Chief when they refused to buy buffalo from Ted Turner when they could be obtained free through other sources. Apparently the Chief was acting like a big shot and made promises he shouldn't have made. The Board acted like a board should and did what was best for the Osage people. Now the Chief has shown his true colors and has decided to make his own deals. This deal with Four Sixes may endear him to that family at the expense of the Osage people. For Osages one 6 worse that the mark of the beast 666.
Could this be a short-term lease while the Ranch plan is being developed? Is the Nation ready right now to buy cattle and run an operation on 43,000 acres with hired help and equipment? If this is short-term thing, in advance of being ready to run a ranch, it would be a reasonable way to make some money in the interim rather than letting the land go idle.
Probably. But if it aint in writing, it can get messy real quick. A back room, off the books, side nagreement orcontract isn't a good thing either because it can lead to just as many legal problems. If you don't commit the terms and conditions to writing, all sorts of assumptions on both sides can begin to take place and a court will honor verbal leases in court. It's expensive and ugly which in business is just about the only thing the Osages seem to know anything about. Often in written lease contracts, arbitration is one of the terms and conditions which can help keep the two parties out of court. A verbal lease however, on a he said -- he said basis, won't include this method of staying out of court should things turn down.
Let's not take this agreement into the realm of the demonic. We have enough trouble on our plate as it is. This is a well respected outfit from what I have been able to glean but is it appropriate for the Chief to be side-stepping the Board? My sense is no and that he is in ethical violation of the supreme law of the land which in this case is the Osage Nation Constitution.
Kugee called the Chief out" "...the Osage News printed the whoppers you said in the last issue of the News. Shall I elaborate?" WOAH! this conversation on Facebook is getting really interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.facebook.com/groups/yanman/
COMMUNITY MEETING: Texas Osages of Houston will host their 2017 Spring Gathering on Feb. 12 in Grangerland, TX. https://www.facebook.com/OsageNews/photos/a.153834188010750.33094.134873493240153/1312015142192643/?type=3&theater
OSAGE PRINCIPAL CHIEF REQUESTS TRIBAL MEETING... See www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/news/osage-principal-chief-requests-tribal-meeting-increasing-osage-oil-gas-production
See also the Meeting Agenda at osagenation-nsn.gov.s3.amazonaws.com/files/departments/Minerals/2017-0112-Exec-Joint-Mtg-increase-oil.pdf
There has been some discussion about this meeting including a proposal for the Osage Nation Energy Services, LLC (ONES) Board to have a blanket lease over all of Osage County given to them by a vote of Osage Minerals Council. There is some question as to what this will do to the power structure of the Shareholder elected Minerals Council to continue running the Osage Mineral Estate in terms of the current ability to consider and approve leasing to the oil and gas producers as well as to continue with the administration, development, and management of the Osage Mineral Estate. There is a second concern that this will perhaps place the ONES Board above the Osage Nation Minerals Agency from a government controlling standpoint in conflict with the specified provisions of Article XV of the Osage Nation Constitution. It has been suggested as a cautionary measure that very serious questions need to be asked of the Chief and the presenters and be fully answered at this meeting before any such arrangement is made or provided for by the Minerals Council going forward. "The meeting will be a public meeting and is scheduled for 10:00 a.m. on January 12, 2017 at the Pawhuska Business Development Center.” Address: 1225 Virginia Short St, Pawhuska, OK 74056 Phone: (918) 287-3357
To contact the Members of the Minerals Council directly about this meeting, see the most current Osage Minerals Council Newsletter at https://s3.amazonaws.com/osagenation-nsn.gov/files/departments/Minerals/2016-12_3OMC_Winter-Newsletter.pdf
If you have a Headright share or portion of one, it is highly recommended that you plan to attend this meeting to find out what is being planned for the future by the Chief’s Office. Please share this e-mail with all of your Osage friends and relatives on your e-mail list.
What do we make of this? Standing Bear reveals possible gaming sites in Missouri to gaming enterprise board http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2017/01/09/standing-bear-reveals-possible-gaming-sites-missouri-gaming-enterprise-board/ I think it's an interesting idea. I love this area of the country. I would also like to see Arkansas casino opportunities explored around Berryville and Eureka Springs. Big bucks to be made if there is little or no competition. I say take it seriously and plan accordingly.
Question: If the USA were to turn back the assets of the Osage Tribe currently held in trust including ending the beneficiary Osage Mineral Estate Trust from which, the Headright owners receive their quarterly checks, does the or should the Federal government compensate the Headright owners for the loss of future income as a result of such a termination?
Well...Well...Well... I guess it doesn't pay to steal from the Osage Indians. Both these guys are defendants in the case against the Osage, LLC., along with Carol Leese and Robert Petre. https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2016/lr23683.htm https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2016/comp23683.pdf
I could have told you this, or something like it would happen when Leese was first hired. The OLLC Board ought to be brought up on charges too for not managing the situation and not making certain that legitimate and above board people were involved in this phony lending venture. I wonder how much that hot-shot from The Harvard Project, Jonathan Taylor, also an OLLC Board member had to do with this and The Harvard Project should be notified immediately of his involvement with this money lending scheme, as the OLLC Board had to have made this cash investment, especially if it was made while he was on the OLLC Board.
If the Osage people hadn't made such a stink about getting justice for the money we could have used, and the Osage Nation ultimately lost as a result of certain members of the Osage Nation Congress not doing their due diligence especially when they were warned about that Leese character, the lawsuit being brought against them in Court in Tulsa would likely never have happened.
The complaint filed in Tulsa against the parties named in the lawsuit: http://static.osagenews.org.s3.amazonaws.com/cms_page_media/43/ON_vs_NewMarketGroup.pdf How much did Yancy Redcorn get at an agent or broker at Red Eagle Feather of the million buck investment to New Market above the $26,666 on these "sure thing" investments that he was supposedly finding for the Osage LLC.?
"The Harvard Project should be notified immediately." You do realize it's the Harvard project, Gray, Pipestem, and other high society types that created this mess, don't you?
I say it is time to change who we pick as a Chief next time becuase it apparently still spreading the liberalism attitude with in our Government as opposed to the opposite happening. As I have quoted many times you don't have to look to far to see where your dollars are going to, failed projects all in the name of big Government and now we are opening up another Casino all fine and dandy, but look at the meat of the deal who will benefit from this deal outside the Nation? We can end this take of our funding and Negotiate thru voting on this matter how the Osage people would like to direct said funding? After all it is our money right? How is liberalism working? It's not, how is the dictator working, it's not. How is the Harvard Project working its not. Socialism will always fail. Why because it ignores principles and it ignores incentives. Look at the loses in the last, well since 2006. All in the name of economic growth to justify a means to an end, in the guise of Sovereignty. Twenty million gone and probably will never be fully accounted for, and it wasn't like there wasn't public out cry. Transcends to the appearance of impropriety has occurred coupled with the lack of diligence. Gross negligence by the Board, commerce committee faild as did Congress. Once again no accountability from with in. This should have never happened. We can do better. I know common sense and I have more on my little pinky than the Chief has on all 10 fingers. See the forst for the trees. Don't be a Hillary. She is in up to her ears with some stuff that is going to come down the pike real hard. Man the tall tails she told.
Geoffrey Standing Bear is for giving Osage Nation Treasury money to benefit the Shareholders which may or may not increase headright payments. Two things. One, this is the Osage People's money not Standing Bear's. Benefits to all of us come first before this very privileged class of Osages gets even more money from the Osage government including, two, the dead on smoking gun open verbal conflict of interest in stating that he wants to use government funds to raise his headright checks since he is an admitted headright owner along with his wife among other headright owners. Bullseye violation of Article X, Section 3 and Section 4 of the Osage Nation Constitution. Benefits for us all in a per-capital payment or a Christmas Bonus or whatever else you can think of first Chief and then you and your shareholders in the OME can look at what's left, if anything at all, the way you spend money. Hear it for yourself right here -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtDE7sRhqTM
WOW! I thought I heard him say he was there not as a part of the government? With a banner of the Osage Nation behind him and Clarion Call adverts for this meeting on the Osage Nation web site... He's so convoluted half the time, I wonder if he actually believes what he's putting out there to the public.
William Fletcher mentioned in the joint meeting that the law suit is "complete" and now he's waiting for reply/results. This case is so important, it's directly related to the horror of our past. Thank you William Fletcher for your effort and devotion to follow this through, and those previously involved, God bless those who have passed. I've waited with great interest for this monumental moment no matter the ending results. Rosemary Wood's Osage News article was posted Jan. 10th, just two days before this news.
What? So you get an accounting? None of your business who gets what, who got what or anything else in between. What happened to the right to privacy where personal property is concerned? Next, if it came from the Trust quarterly payments, will Billy Sam want an accounting of how you spent the money or if you even have spent it? So rank and low rent. As usual.
What truth? That you got a headright check and how much you've made over the years for all the world to see? How exactly is this any of my business? BTW, Billy Sam should know that I, and a ton of others like me, really don't care. I don't even care whether or not the Headright owners are Osage or not. This is so juvenile and provincial to me it's not even to be believed. Even if you know, the Federal Court won't let you take my money away now or ever so what the hell is the point?
This is how misinformed you are about your rights as a Headright owner you are. And some of us do care about the direction we ate going in. It should have never been allowed our Headrights to be given away in the first to an entity or non-osage ever. This occurred for many reasons if you understand our History. Not so complex. But I do care and you are only and probably the only person who does not care so why post here. This site is not for you then. Here is one of msny lessons you should take in Business 101 economics. Shareholders need financial statements to evaluate their equity investments and help them make informed decisions as to how to vote on corporate matters. When evaluating investments, shareholders are able to glean meaningful data found on financial statements. It allows you to study the over all performance.
Nonsense! This was then and is today property owned by individual Osages who have every right under God to dispose of such property as they see fit and have seen fit for 110 years. You have no right to sit in judgement on how they have disposed of their own property no matter how selfish and greed driven you are. This is the proverbial "elephant in the living room" with the Osages and one of the reasons that headright owners today and yesterday have said to family members across the board, "You'll find out about the headright income when you get the check and not before." Mind your own business. Get your nose out of my families' business and every other shareholder's business as well. You don't have the right to determine whether or not it's right or wrong if headrights have been given away to anyone in the world or any entity whatsoever. Move on and concern yourself with your own business and not mine or anyone else's. Get on with your life and let others live theirs the way they choose and see fit to do so.
Never mind the hotels/motels at the Casinos. If the Osages really wanted to do everyone a favor, they'd build a decent motel on Campus. They've got enough land there and money available surely to make that work.
Wind Farm law suit update:
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Amazon is putting a windfarm in Scurry county Texas to make money and help with the "Global Warming" problem. The Bluestem Ranch would be a great place for Amazon to expand this effort. Amazon CEO is one of the richest persons in the U.S. The Osage Nation will loose the suit as no minerals are taken and the land owner can build on his land.
DeleteOh hell no who are you kidding
Deletethumbs way down. hell no 2. dislike.
DeleteThis sounds like someone with a vested interest in making a huge buck off the Bluestem Ranch area would say. Gee, I wonder who that could be? The Osage Nation government would profit. The people who delegate the funds would profit. Then of course the bribes and under the table deals to make certain people would profit big time.
DeleteAs usual the Osage general public will be fed a bunch of buffalo chips about how wonderful the wind farms will help the young and old alike. The Osage people will receive no benefit whatsoever from the Ranch or wind farms. But hey, it's the government money, right? They're going to do what’s in their best interest despite what the people think.
.....The Osage Nation ..."will loose the suit"....... as no minerals are taken and the land owner can build on his land.
DeleteThat is a very interesting thing to say. What suit? ….lose the suit? Really? Why is this person so confident about such an outcome and why does he want the Osages to lose?
What is this person projecting and why? Who is the Plaintiff, the Osage government or the MC? Someone is having a conversation somewhere and is putting his thoughts on this blog.
Planting the seed and testing the waters.
I smell rats.
and buffalo chips aplenty...
DeleteWhen it happened --->>>
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Only the Osage Nation government has taken the Osage Tribe's reservation away in Federal Court.
This is how it starts:
DeleteMcGraw-Hill destroys textbook to placate pro-Israel bloggers
At one point in history, it was the same when people cried out, anti-Nazi bigots and they were left alone instead of taken to task. Israel has been appropriating land with illegal settlements on Palestinian land for decades. The U.S. supports this and it's wrong. The UN put in place the mandate and charter for Israel and they can damn well take it away.
See land map here: http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/29/nov-29-1947-united-nations-partitions-palestine-allowing-for-creation-of-israel/?_r=0
See land map now: https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/rania-khalek/mcgraw-hill-destroys-textbook-placate-pro-israel-bloggers
Why does everyone who doesn't agree with the U.S. version of things tend to lose their shirts and the land they own and stand on?
AnonymousOctober 18, 2016 at 11:49 AM
ReplyDeleteTallgrass is being run by Jill Jones as the general manager? Isn't she the wife of former AG Jeff Jones who the Chief GSB tried to replace but he had some sort of Federal prosecution designation and had to be demoted rather than be let go from the employ of the Osage Nation altogether? Now were paying for an AG in addition to an Assistant AG if I'm right. Plus Jill's collecting a salary from the ONES Board she still sits on as well. JUST GREAT!
http://osagenews.org/en/article/2016/10/13/tallgrass-economic-development-llc-announces-new-hires-subsidiaries/
Free us from GSB! Free us from GSB! Free us from GSB!
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AnonymousOctober 19, 2016 at 11:46 AM
When you pay these non-Osages at the helm, CEO, CFO and COO, an exorbitant salary and benefits and then close up the options, by an Act of the Osage Congress, for the Osage Nation as the member to get in there and take a look at what is going on with the day to day, according to the Harvard Project model that is a school of government entity not one of economics, this is what you have to deal with. Trust with verification is apparently a part of the game plan they know nothing about and wish to know nothing about either.
BHT has a story on the Osage Nation filing for a $1 million default judgment against three companies that were once part of the Osage LLC., in the October 13th 2016 issue.
https://www.facebook.com/Bigheart-Times-130472647019594/
The only thing the Osage Nation knows how to do is get itself in trouble legally, lose assets like the reservation and exorbitant amounts of money. With this running track record that continues on a daily basis, if the BIA approves a compact to run the minerals estate by the Osage Nation, it will be tantamount to gross dereliction of duty under the fiduciary obligation it has to the headright owner beneficiaries of the OME Trust.
AnonymousOctober 21, 2016 at 10:59 AM
The Osage Nation can't apply to compact the Minerals Estate. They are a renegade organization that Hepsi and the OGRC created out of thin air. The 2004 Reaffirmation Act of the U.S. Congress clarified that a new government can be formed and additional membership chosen for THE OSAGE TRIBE. PUBLIC LAW 108–431—DEC. 3, 2004 118 STAT. 2609 didn't even authorize so much as a name change. The Osage Nation owns nothing associated with the Osage MIneral Estate, the mineral rights and I believe not one single property in trust or anything built on it. The OSAGE TRIBE owns it legally and certainly the BIA has to know that this is the legal truth of the matter.
To poster 10:59 AM. I think you hit the nail on the head. I have been saying this for quite sometime. I do agree with you.
DeleteRaymond Redcorn believes that the Osage Nation government owns the Minerals Estate. Jim Gray sold us out and Wilson Pipestem argued that the HHP money belonged to the Osage Nation government – not the Shareholders.
DeleteThe people in power want us to forget the 1906 Act and make us believe that PL108–431 "replaced" the 1906 Act.
Yes, we know PL108–431 was an affirmation to change government if and only if the shareholders wanted to change governments. Non-shareholders were allowed to vote on matters of which they had no right. But money was to be made people wanted to get rich. Today, friends and families of politicians are living quite well with exorbitant salaries far above what would be normal in the corporate world.
The Osage Nation government is about money, power, and political influence from the county level on up to Washington D.C.
Also Pipestem, I believe, put forward the idea that the shareholders had no legal rights in the HPP lawsuit. I believe it was Federal Judge Frizzell who stated that the Osage Nation had no right to waive the rights of the shareholders and that they had standing in the HPP lawsuit in the Court of Federal Appeals. That put the Osage Nation back in its place from then to today. I contend that the Osage Nation had no rights because they don't even own the mineral rights or the income before it is taken into trust and placed into the trust account for the headright owners. The only owners here are the Osage Tribe with the mineral rights reserved and all those OME Trust beneficiaries who still have membership in the Osage Tribe which includes all living Osage Headright owners.
DeleteEmployees caught in the middle of Chief and Congress feud. Huh, really Chief you started this we can end this. The employee who is complaining is ignorant. Merit employment requires that you do the best, because your position will not be safe. It will allow you to grow and recognize your abilities and requires good moral and good work ethics. It will allow you to climb the latter. If you did a great job that year on your anniversary you will see a raise providing the right circumstances permits. I know this creates competitiveness from with in to inspire. To this employee who made a comment about Edwards, we Osages be it we may be out of state but remember why and how this happened if you understood our Culture you would not make such a racist remark as the one you did. You see some of us come from Great History rich in Culture. You insult our intelligence, what the vote is at best 2% of Osages who voted or just a little higher, do the math and you tell me we voted to keep Edwards in Office, really. What I find troubling is why such a low vote? But keeping on point...shame on you Chief in this instance you are wrong and we suspect why that your overhead is higher than suspected and not in alignment with the area you live in and way above the cost of living. www.osagenews.org
ReplyDeleteTo poster at October 21, 2016 at 7:22 PM. It's not what you know, it's who you know. That's the Osage way.
DeleteAs far as I'm concerned the employees who never answer the phone, never return a message left or when they do, are rude or act like they are too busy to fool with you can MOAN AND WHINE THEMSELVES TO DEATH !!!!!! Formerly they had 260 hours (32 and a half days!!!!!!!!) of paid time off! I don't believe that this includes vacation time on top of that plus they also have bereavement leave. You talk about OSAGE NATION EMPLOYEES USING THE CULTURE TO GORGE THEMSELVES WITH MONEY AND TO TAKE TIME OFF AT OUR EXPENSE. This is detestable !!!!! Where in the work world do you see compensation packages like this? NOWHERE EVER UNLESS YOU HAVE EMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION THIEVES WORKING FOR YOU! Then you look at this:
Delete"Employee base pay, benefits, merit bonus, special adjustment and the cost of non-monetary recognition shall not exceed 52 percent of the tribal and non-tribal projected revenue." FIFTY TWO PERCENT? It shouldn't be anywhere near 15% at the outside maximum of the entire budget. You want to know where your tribal benefits are going? It's right here with $57,750,000 going to pay the employees who barely deserve the honor to work for the Osage Nation! These people are eating us alive and the elected officials are letting them them get away with it! I am creating a new acronym for the Osage Nation workforce who think they are so entitled and in their dueness believe they have the right to rob us blind: GDE = Greed Driven Employees.
“The practice of hiring and promoting employees, esp. government employees, based on their competence rather than political favoritism.” YES CHIEF that's correct. What we have in place right now is far from it. (Nation’s Workforce Pay for Performance Act with the Merit Based Employment System Act). Who is the CEO of the Osage Casinos and how are you related to him (after that Board meeting where you yelled and screamed at the Board members until they finally agreed to vote to put him in as CEO). In addition, what position does your own wife have with the Osage Nation today? This remark is so rich coming from him I can't believe he had the audacity to make it out loud.
Read this monstrous stuff the GDEs are getting away with at http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/10/21/employees-caught-middle-chief-and-congress-feud/
The only way this could even be happening is if the Osage Casinos are being robbed of necessary operating capital or they are appropriating the money from the loans somehow or both. Ten years and look at this puke being spewed all over us by these incompetents and ignorants who barely know how to drive to work never mind get any work done while they are there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The job too much for you? Well then take the day off???????? Make these people send faxes to the Executive Branch offices the minute they come in to work, the minute they leave for any reason and a fax when they return during regular working hours and when they leave the office at the end of the day. Anyone who won't go along is terminated immediately. Start recording the conversations and establish a written record of the time it takes to return a phone call to a member of the Osage Nation if a message is left on the recorder. OMG! Here we are struggling to make ends meet and the averaged salary of all Osage Nation GDEs at 486 of them is $71,000 including benefits!!!!!!!!! $24,500,000 (52% of $47,000,000) in Tribal funds and $10,000,000 (40% of $25,000,000) in Federal funds. Is this what you thought would be happening 10 years ago? Government raiders and thieves all around !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No wonder GSB wants his budget numbers opaque and hidden from the Osage people.
DeleteFree us from GSB! Free us from GSB! Free us from GSB! and IPAD RAY too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteThere are companies who shop the job performance of employees both in the government and the private sector. I'd like to see one of the best hired to swoop down on the Osage Nation government from top to bottom and have the report published to the Osage people. Hell, we could even come together, raise funds and hire a company to do a top down review of the Osage Nation government ourselves... They call it "being shopped."
DeleteOn average for the 50 states in the Union, some 20 percent of state spending is for employee compensation which includes salaries, wages and benefits. Where does the Osage Nation get the right to spend double and a half more on employees who probably couldn't get a job anywhere else at that pay structure for what they are hired to do but at the Osage Nation? We are being taken for a ride big time and this article in the Osage News really proves it. Is the structure of the Osage Nation government from a bureaucratic standpoint that important or is it just an abominably selfish way to keep the money out of the hands of those who don't live in Osage County?
DeleteNow this is a conversation. All of you are right and point on. In my opinion I don't think every Osage Shareholder got a vote to weather we were to become a Government of such in 2006. PL 2912 was to allow membership to all Osages and we can turn the tide. End this sham, end this sham! We are the Osage Tribe not a money Government grabbing sham.
DeleteIt's PUBLIC LAW 108–431—DEC. 3, 2004 118 STAT. 2609. It was HR 2912 (U.S. House of Representatives bill before it was sent over to the Senate for their version). The final draft of this Act of the U.S. Congress of was sent to President Bush for this signature and once signed into law it became and is today PUBLIC LAW 108–431—DEC. 3, 2004 118 STAT. 2609. Continuing to confuse everyone by referring to HR 2912 is perhaps not the best idea.
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In case it's in dispute that the Osage Nation is out there somewhere well beyond the pale, let me direct you to this phrase in the same Act, PUBLIC LAW 108–431—DEC. 3, 2004 118 STAT. 2609:
Delete"(U.S.) Congress hereby reaffirms the inherent sovereign right of the OSAGE TRIBE to determine its own form of government."
There it is in black and white and that's the sum total of it. Again, just like with the Osage National Council government back in the 1990's, the BIA and the Secretary of the Interior grossly erred in not minding the store from a fiduciary standpoint for the Osage Tribe as a legal entity and the legal Osage members with headrights as beneficiaries because it should have caught this Osage Nation business as soon as the draft copy of the Constitution hit the street in January of 2006 and sent Hepsi, the Harvard Project and her band of merry interlopers on the OGRC right back to the drawing board. When will the BIA ever learn to play the game according to Hoyle? They all need a good legal course in what a fiduciary obligation means in such a relationship to a beneficiary or beneficiaries.
Ok so I made a mistake HR 2912, but my point is of the same and still the same The BIA grossly errd. And playing to Hoyle is a understatement, had we remained the same we would have not lost the Reservation case.
DeleteHEADS UP! Don't miss the Group Medicare Supplement insurance Plan F enrollment period going on now through November 30, 2016:
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For the Osage Nation Limited Health Benefit Card information see https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/member-services/health-benefits-information
If you already have an account for the Osage Nation Limited Health Benefit Plan Card, the 2017 Online Enrollment is available at https://maa-tpa.lh1ondemand.com
DeleteWindWaste is a non-profit organization dedicated to educating Oklahomans about the harmful effects of Industrial Wind. See http://windwaste.com/2016/08/29/industrial-wind-estimated-cost-oklahoma-5-2-billion/
ReplyDeleteChristmas shopping December 3, 2016 at the Osage Cultural Center with Santa!
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ReplyDeleteThanks to Jim Ryan for pointing this important information out on his FB web page over here https://www.facebook.com/groups/234024393278360/
What do we think about this?
ReplyDeleteLegalize Medical Marijuana In The Osage Nation
https://www.facebook.com/Legalize-Medical-Marijuana-In-The-Osage-Nation-949709851808795/
Osages with nutritional problems, nausea when Zofran won't cut it and problems with even having hunger can benefit from Marinol.
Good discussion on this issue going on over at http://osageblog.blogspot.com/2016/10/osage-shareholder-matters-october-2016.html
DeleteI done tole you and tole you!
ReplyDelete"As Treasurer, Alexander said he would like to help streamline the accounting process, noting the Nation has over 150 programs “and that’s a mess frankly and it’s complicated and I think we can do better than that, make it easier on everybody.”
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/10/27/alexander-confirmed-treasurer-other-appointees-confirmed-one-denied/
Hahahahahahahaha!
PAY ATTENTION HERE BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS!
And the Executive Brnach of the Osage Nation thinks it can compact and run the OME? Get out of town! No way, no how.
Glad to see the Shaw appointment didn't go through. Something right for once to pin our slender by a thread hopes on.
How many of those 150 programs help the 80% or 15,350 of a total of 19,200 Osage Nation members who do not live in Osage County?
DeleteT H R E E. Actually only T W O while you're still alive.
#1 -- Health Card and Medicare Plan F (while you're alive).
#2 -- Higher education (while you're alive).
#3 -- Burial Assistance (actually benefits the family left behind after you're dead).
T H R E E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok Ill do better than these programs are geared for 1. Health Card as opposed to giving us the 500.00 how many Osages apply? Or have applied? And the reason they did it this way was because of tax purposes right? 2. Higher education isn't this program for grades 1-12 3. Burial assistance is way cheeper than giving a per-cap out when they the Osage Government knows most have this covered. So what is our Government doing other than creating more regulations?
DeleteCorruption happens because the people in charge not only make it happen; they make sure it keeps happening.
DeleteThey don’t see it as corruption. As gaming the system. There was a pie, a very large and tempting pie, and they saw how people with access to the pie kept cutting off huge pieces for themselves, so when they got a chance to decide how big their piece would be, they did not think, “I will leave as much pie as possible for other people.” They cut themselves a generous slice, befitting their status as civic leader. So this is what is going on with our tribe no different than the USA. We have had a rough 10 years to say the least, all of you want to change the dynamics then we have to let our legislative body know this and this is where it begins. This article by Jame Giago Davies is a columnist for Indian Country today. He posted on INDIANZ.COM Corruption keeps the privilege in power. But what is happening here could we be in the middle of a new movement, we could be. This much we know the Osage needs a voice and it's not GSB. Long live the Osage Tribe and bless our People.
Native sun news.
Deletehttp://www.nativesunnews.today/news/2016-10-26/Voices_of_the_People/Aint_nobody_here_but_us_chickens.html
DeleteKnuckleheads. Yes. To put it that nicely is obscene. We vote for who runs for office and the election office with its election law changes is making it more and more difficult to run for elected office if you don't live in Osage County. Now I think you have to be there in person for your own recount as a punishing measure for even having slapped down the $500 for the recount because they tried to get away with only counting your votes, because hard work was so difficult for them to endure even for the two days it took to recount the votes, and all because the public went ape s**t over a one candidate vote recount. Sickening. Someone needs to step up outside the circle and run for office as a "clean up the corruption and get the locusts off the payroll" candidate. These elected officials are afraid of the Osages they serve in-county. You can smell the fear when they vote for budget bills that are so rude hell itself wouldn't have it. I firmly believe it's more than just being reelected. At every contentious vote, for example, Archie Mason always seems to be absent.
Looking to hang in there.
DeleteFor what? He's as big a part of the problem as the rest of them because he votes to further it every damn year he's been in office. Nice guys finish first in his case. But he isn't really nice. He's just as corrupt as the rest of them and a coward too. Even if RJ is the Executive's man in Congress just like his Aunt, Debbie Littleton-whats-her-foot, used to be, at least he will stand up for his principles every so often.
DeleteNew Weekly Friday Report on the activities of the Osage Nation Congress:
ReplyDeleteLet's see what our money is buying for us today: $1,328,202 appropriation to the Osage Nation Congressional Branch for salaries, wages and benefits for 2016/2017:
A BIG WEEK for the Osage Nation Congress --->>>
https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/calendar
What do you mean? They didn't do a thing all week long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess this is your idea of a joke.
DeleteIt is not at all uncommon for those elected to office to serve all of the people soon find that there are many opportunities to not only help themselves, but also to find ways and means to help their relatives.Remember that piece of the "PIE". Our "Casino's", what they do not want tell you is it is fluid enough to get a piece of that "PIE". Thats another secret that they do not want to share with you. Wow the word INTENT is and the meaning behind that word and what that means to the OSAGE. In other words the Intent of becoming a Government was built around the Casino's and the Intent was to share that piece of the PIE right. I know the truth and so do you. By chance always looking to support what I have been saying for a while change needs to come to the Osage in a big way time to end the Nepotism and Cronyism and get to work on real issues that plague are long over due Villages and surrounding neighbors by building our infrastructure and we sure do not do that by buying a empty bank or throwing 74,000,000. at a Ranch that is now in dispute and the rhetoric that surrounds the politics on the reservation, oops we don't have one any longer because the diligence was lost somewhere in the quagmire or as I coin it, lost in communication and by no accident. Should we wake up to the reality the Osage has been had? After watching the elections this year, you can't help but see how we are in the same boat. Hillary and the scandal that follows her and thats her burden she created this dirt and no one is to blame but herself. My point you dont have to look far to see how our Government parallels Hillarys scandals. Joe forgive me MahaskaShay did I spell it right and the some to the board members of the OSAGE LLc. Millions lost there. All of a sudden we are losing fists hand over money is what I call it. Well it is long over due we get a PER-CAP out ot our people the true intent of our CASINO'S. Want to put a wager on it.
ReplyDeleteHere is the Article I was referring to http://www.indianz.com/News/2016/10/28/native-sun-news-today-editorial-the-rich.asp The richer get richer and the poor get poorer on the Rez.
DeleteIn the end we can do better. You dont build respect by building big towers, any come to mind? Or Statues? See it thru the eyes of your people. A stronger future for our Osage, fiscal responsibility is needed. Or a one page rewrite of our Constitution needs to happen.
DeleteWow Hillary Clinton and the trouble that follows ah I think we need to end the Nepotism and Cronyism, just because they are working in different departments does not mean they are not getting paid by the Nation, its all the same.
ReplyDeleteOne Congressional Committee meeting last week for one hour:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/calendar
Hey California Osages, what was said about the ranch at your meeting? All we know back here in the homeland is that it is up for bid/lease. Thanks in advance.
ReplyDeleteI just love the word choice of this CNN e-mail blast:
ReplyDelete"Americans will cast their verdicts on Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump Tuesday after an exhausting, acrimonious campaign that at times revolted the nation and tore at its fabric."
"Verdict" is succinctly right.
Congratulations Trump. Trump does not like Wind Farms now is time to appeal to The Trump,administration to tear down those farms and stay off Indian Land. It is time we we do something about this and dwell into why thisnhappened in the first place. He said this is a Ponzi scheme and I always knew it to be a tax on our society. we can't afford paying the subsidies. Stand alone Wind Farms not on the back of the AI or the American People.
ReplyDeleteMaybe we can drain the swamp in our Tribe and start thinking about our Infrastructure as promised,as promised get that Per-Cap to the Osage our people enough of the lies. Just maybe Standing Bear will hear his people and leave the ME alone and build a relationship once again with the MC and like wise. Enough is enough. But at this point, I do not see that happening, why because a lot of us feel that you are self absorbed and can not be trusted.
DeleteLet this Trump win be an object lesson to the establishment in the Osage and to all outsiders in the upcoming election in 2018 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteGM to Lay Off 2,000 Workers at Two U.S. Plants Due to Slowing Sales. Ok this is scary because the Auto industry is the barometer to our economy, one of many of course. THis does not happen in a robust economy. Smaller Government GSB.
DeleteMy takeaway is that at least we have an honest and truthful election on the ground. I never in this world thought that Trump would carry the day and here is. This is good and we should all be grateful for that at the very least. Hillary gave a fabulous concession speech and for that I sincerely and greatly respect her.
DeleteHillary had no choice and I do not respect her ever Gobsmacked. With the corruption that faces her after the new year should be interesting. The media bias was awful and the uphill battle was horrendous for Trump.I like Trump, he seemed very genuine, but that is what was said about Obama right. This will be good for the ME once we roll back the bad regs. Do we need to rewrite our Constitution let Trump be the barometer for that discussion. It is time we have our movement and take back our Tribe? Can we support career Politicians or do we set time limits and I say yes. Do we need to build our infrastructure and bring jobs, yes we need to move towards that common ground. Time to give back our Government to our People.I have been saying this for awhile.
DeleteWe can agree to disagree on the National election but I am with you all the way on the Osage political situation.
DeleteMaybe I need to lisren to your perspective with due respect. But I do know what works something we use to have is cohesiveness, something missing. We talk a hig talk little said.
DeleteThe only realistic hope for the Osage is a new constitution. The current government is just bloat. Its like what happens when a hoarder lives in a big house. They have to fill every available space with detritus.
DeleteA chief, assistant chief, and three representatives for each district. No term limits, but have provisions for elections if our for-profit businesses fail to meet expected financial goals.
And have a provision that keeps the government out of the culture.
That's one representative for each district, not nine representatives.
DeleteHow about rewrite the Constitution and restore the Government back to its original true body the M.C as per the 1906 Act as amended? Becuase our Constitution mirrors closely the U.S Constitution. That being said with the laws to prtect against the huge conflicts of interest, needs to change and fast. 10 years of this and what has been done except Government bloat. At least Ewards is trying to do something about it, like curbing some of the entertainments and saving a buck or two, ie. Merit pay vs. principal pay. That girl who is passing this petition around just because she wants more paid leave really? 4 weeks is more than enough now she wants time off when in the real working world even this does not happen. Not only that Merit pay is better in the long run. Her raises will go up and stay that way, being awarded does not pay in the long run and she is cutting her nose to spite her face. Remember you can be replaced.
DeleteOops, lol meant entitlements.
DeleteWho pays her checks, comes all from the same pool, oh we do, The Osage people, do you think you are a federal employee to desrve 8 weeks paid time off? Ah, no thank you. And that probably does not even include paid Holidays, or her health care, 401k. Shame on her for passing this petition. Then she wants to be rewarded futher....talk about greed.
DeleteIf Congressional representatives are to come from only the three districts then drop the number available for Federal Grants down to the number of those Osages who live on site in the Villages. That ought to be about what? 50-100 Osages in number. So long Medical program and all other compacts. Don't be so short sighted. No one will vote for a new Osage Constitution if nearly every one of them is cast outside in the cold.
DeleteWell the way i see if the Donald can do it so can we with plenty of vigor to support and we can awaken those who have been asleep surly to ablige the will of the People!!!!!
DeleteMiya you jerk! 32 and a half days off for PTO, IOW, paid time off plus all the other days off for funerals, the dances, the weather, holidays! Where do you think you are Italy to roll out a petition like this? Because the Nation is tired of being taken advantage of every time you workers turn around? You're from out of state but you sure have learned quick how to get on the dole and take advantage of it big time. You know better than this. Shame on you! What happened? Did you move back home and fall on your head when you got there?
Deletehttp://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/11/10/osage-employee-starts-petition-against-new-law-cuts-employee-leave/
I like how she uses our Cultural background as a excuse to get more time off. In the real world we have to use our vacation time for time off. I hpoe no one signs this petition she is circling around.
DeleteFantasizing about the previous government needs to be tempered with the simple fact that the minerals council created the current mess through their inaction.
DeleteWhatever survival sense that kept the Osage alive through the centuries was clearly supplanted at some point. Replaced with a kind of artificial hubris. Say all the right words in the right order, and people will assume a level of depth that isn't really there. That the person speaking is just mimicking those who came before, who were just mimicking those in the tribe who actually had that depth of understanding.
Likely the result of some kind of chthonic infection. Some witless idiot was allowed to play with things they shouldn't have, and the next thing you know its the industrial revolution with all the dehumanizing effects its brought.
Seriously, only something from hell could imagine the bloated bureaucracies representing all that is modern government today.
Weekly Congressional Friday Report Early due to Veteran's Day tomorrow:
ReplyDeleteNot one single solitary Osage Congressional Meeting for this week with Friday off!
https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/calendar
Has the Cobell Case Settlement Funds turned Native American Tribal Nations into another one of these Corporations?
ReplyDeletehttp://inthesetimes.com/features/native-land-plunder-bureau-of-indian-affairs.html
Again, no fines or punitive action taken in most of the legislation signed into Osage law but an over-abundance of it in the Election Laws while the election board and the Supervisor tightens their grip on who gets to run for Office. Who are these people to determine who is a serious candidate to run for office? Who the hell do they think they are? Plus they don't want to send out certified mail to the candidates because it's a waste of money? What to only 16 people in the last election? Could they be more lazy or what? I can smell their laziness outside the bathroom from a mile off! Do your job or get out the way for someone who really cares about working as hard and as long as possible to make certain that we have a free and fair election come June of 2018. Buhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeletehttp://osagenews.org/en/article/2016/11/08/election-board-proposes-amendments-election-rules-and-regulations/
Of particular note which may make it even more difficult to run for Congress and jump through even more hoops that there are already:
ReplyDelete"Amendments to the Nation’s election code and rules/ regulations. The ON Election Board has developed proposed amendments to the two documents regarding the governing of elections."
Special Session of the Osage Nation Congress on November 28, 2016 --->>>
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/11/16/congress-meet-special-session-starting-nov-28/
Seriously 500 trubines coming to Osage again. Listen, who what when and where how is this happening and at the same time our interest is being protected by the BIA? The M.C. Tell this Administration to pound sand and we will fight them till Trump lands Office and I would like to know who's getting the kickbacks?
ReplyDeleteThe MC did sue and that crooked court ruled against them. This was the one where one from one of the big landowner families in OC recused himself and the one that took over the case did exactly what the recused one would have done. Get your facts straight before you go criticizing the MC. That's why SB wanted to get into the case and try and correct things but OC is in play now and the non-Osages are making their move that they have waited for ever since they bought the land. Jim Gray and his folly with trying to get out of paying state taxes for one single employee and that tax lawsuit that took away the reservation status in Federal Court was the in on taking away those mineral rights and if they can't get them back they will put up wind machines all over OC to stop the Osages from drilling. It's a mess all brought about by this interloper Osage government headed up by Hepsi Barnett, the OGRC and Jim Gray who was the go to guy on this catastrophe. Place the blame where it belongs for once and not wherever you feel like.
DeleteWow. Thank you.
DeleteBut at least Jim Gray and his cronies are quite wealthy now and their families are in very very well paid positions in the Osage government. All that matters is the money they can grab for themselves.
DeleteWell there you have it in a nutshell.
DeleteOSAGE NATION FOUNDATION AWARDS THE OSAGE NATION MUSEUM WITH A CHARITABLE GRANT IN ORDER TO FUND THE CREATIVE COMMUNITY HOLIDAY ORNAMENT CRAFT WORKSHOP
ReplyDeletehttps://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/news/osage-nation-foundation-awards-osage-nation-museum-charitable-grant-order-fund
The 2016 Osage Ornament is now available for sale at http://www.osagefoundation.org/store/home.php
ReplyDeleteONCA 17-02 - (Congressman William “Kugee” Supernaw) An appropriation bill to authorize and distribute $1 million to Tallgrass Economic Development LLC. If approved, Tallgrass would receive the $1 million from the Nation’s economic development fund for the purpose of securing bonding. What is the economic development Kugee? This is not chump change. Has our Congress done the diligence before we just hand Tallgrass the money? When providing information in regards to any appropriation the pros and cons should be in detail in any initiative or legislative act and or proposal. All to often mistakes are made at the expense of the people money.
ReplyDeleteEarlier this year the TED board (OLLC board, too BTW) was talking about the $6 to $7 million in projects the construction company would complete by year end. They claimed to be making a 10% margin. Add to this the $1.5 million already available to TED's construction company for bonding and there should be no need for another $1 million in funding for bonds. What are they doing with the money?
DeleteThat's the million dollar question and inquiry is needed before this money is allocated? The board needs to be more transparent. Or here we go again have we not learned from the past? ie,(Osage Llc)
DeleteActually, TED is in reality Osage LLC. The subsidiaries are still listed in SAM.gov as Osage Innovative Solutions and Osage Pinnacle Design Group. According to the last public report by the Enterprise Board, these companies had not been formally transferred over. Why? Because transferring these companies away from Osage LLC would jeopardize their 8(a) Small Disadvantaged Business certifications.
DeleteHmmm? It would be prudent to make the move complete, since the Osage llc is not performing, and no longer the parent company? To insure no corruption or the appearance of impropriety is not occurring? Is there any distributions and if so, where is going to? Back to the Osage? Mostly, is the Board the same people who were on the Board of the Osage llc?
DeleteThe recordings of the Com Econ committee will answer most of your questions. Technically, the former OLLC board was appointed to the TED board and OLLC no longer has a board. However, the TED board continues to manage OLLC in addition to controlling TED. For all intents and purposes, TED is just an alter ego of OLLC. Same mission. Same articles of organization and operation. Same subsidiaries. Same management (at least initially).
DeleteThank you for responding. So now there is a Tall Grass construction, Osage Manhatten Builders, Osage Pinnacle design, a construction company. Hmmmm. So, is TED bringing in the dough or is money being thrown around like its free for all? And what is in place to protect the interest of the Osage and most importantly where are if any the Distributions going? If any?
DeleteTallgrass Construction is Osage Pinnacle Design Group. If you look at the record on SAM.gov you'll see that Tallgrass Construction is a DBA (doing business as) for the real company.
DeleteAs for Osage Manhattan Builders, it was never anything more than a work of fiction to enable Manhattan Builders, a division of Manhattan Construction (the first corporation to exist in OK), to get work based on its "Native American ownership". In was represented to be a joint venture, but it was wholly managed and staffed by Manhattan Builders personnel.
In much the same way, Osage Pinnacle Design Group started out as a joint venture with Pinnacle Design Group. Even after transitioning to full ownership by Osage LLC, OPDG was completely reliant upon Pinnacle Design Group for management, staffing, and performance of projects.
Only recently has OPDG hired a person with skills relevant to the industry and having some potential to run a construction company. That said, OPDG is still more fiction than fact and is reliant upon actual construction companies to perform the projects it takes on.
To many fingers in the cookie jar...The goal for profit margin? Considering the economy? Sure would like to see where the money is going? Endless round table of a bunch of Benjamins exchanging hands. This is a gold mine if I ever saw. Headed for a repeat and the meaning of insanity, doing the same thing over again and expecting a different outcome. If I were a Congressional speaker I would be wanting to talk to the committee and verify that the diligence has been done by the Board. After all lets not forget who is working for who. For the Osage People, so I ask when these projects come about or contracts etc..what is the profit or distribution where is it going into a general fund? And or if any profit are we vesting it if any, putting it back into our communities? As well as building another casino it is time for a Per-Cap..maybe if the merit law can change with just a petition I am sure everyone will vote for this and vote in the coming election if this was on the ballot. Its time.
DeleteSo here we go again back in Court because the Chief would like to spend whatever whenever and take money from here to here and move it.Hope Congress refutes his claim and wins. Congress has the daunting task of fiscal responsibility and I would like to keep it there. Laws need to be better weritten before they are signed into law. Effective writing is needed to insure the stability of the law that is being proposed. List the pros and cons. It will prevent and save the Osage money better spent else where. The executive wants more power and I say not until this Chief is gone or re-called. Merit based law works quit your whining. Save the Osage some money make the employee realize in the long run you will make more money. No job is safe either way. This law creates the incentive to do better and calls for a yearly increase based upon your work ethics and if you have nothing to worry about you will earn your raise and permanently. The laws of the U.S. are changing allowing for maternity leave for both parents and 3 days of paid sick leave. Who gets sick for two weeks? Pneumonia maybe, all preventable by a shot...You can get the article from Osagenews/org/en/.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/11/30/chief-standing-bear-sues-congress-second-time-supreme-court/
DeleteThis one is a super duper doozy:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWcGHNO8wsw&feature=youtu.be
Wrong Kugee. The complains are about you all spending like drunken sailors on YOURSELVES and by that I mean those who live in Osage County. A per-cap would be in order if you people didn't find a thousand million things to spend our money on by and large, when it financially benefits only 12% of the membership and those who collect a paycheck from the Osage Nation.
Put it on the Ballot Kugee. 13% of Osages live in and around the Area some are complaining that the Merit law is to strict with the money, well we want a Per-Cap like everyohter Tribe. . If we handle ourselves poorly, neither history – nor elections – will judge us kindly.
DeletePlus they feel they are entitled to a month off or more for one reason or another. You'd think these people were Italian the way they use up our money and don't even work for it 1/12th + of the year. Edwards wants to cap what the Osage Nation government employees get in salary, taxes, benefits and 3% yearly merit bonuses at 52% of projected yearly revenue !!!!!!!!!!!!! With that at approximately $50 million and 490 employees not including the Casinos which is separate and not part of the Osage Nation budget, this works out to an average compensation plus taxes and benefits overall of $102,040 per employee a year -- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- and a personal income loss to every single Osage of roughly $2,350 a year in a per capita payment. In the last year, when, how many times and what have any of these employees done for you?
DeleteThese money suckers are worthy of our highest possible level of contempt. It's so abominable, awful, detestable, abhorrent, atrocious, awful, bad, base, beastly, cursed, despicable, disgusting, foul, grim, grody, gross, hateful, heinous, hellish, horrible, horrid, loathsome, lousy, nauseating, obnoxious, odious, offensive, repellent, reprehensible, repugnant, repulsive, revolting, rotten, sleazy, stinking, terrible, vile, and wretched it's like the video of this man who is being eaten alive as the visual representation of what the Osage Nation government is like to those who don't work there and don't benefit. Not that they care as long as the money keeps coming and until they finally hit the wall and find out they can't afford to pay for everything they're spending money on when the bills finally come due. Your benefits as members will be the first to go until it's them and only them who benefit in any way from the Osage Nation government.
VIEWER DISCRETION ADVISED -- >>>>
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13a38m_disturbing-man-eaten-alive-by-maggots_shortfilms
Did you see that they want $4,000 a year for the Sovereignty Day celebration? For 88% of us, what exactly is there to celebrate? Con artists and thieves preying on the Osage Treasury? The loss of our Reservation as a result of their stupidity? Lawyers eating up hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars a year and 20 more or less on the payroll not including the Judicial Branch whose members at the highest level make representations about Acts of the U.S. Congress passed into law that are completely false. Lawsuits between branches of government that are destroying the balance of power and as a result, destroying the whole thing one lawsuit at a time. Trips to Belize, France, all around the country with our money and the list goes on and on and on and on.
Sovereignty is now Greed and the reason this Government was formed was to allow more members ie, Osages a right to vote and to federal funds, not to take and not give back to the very Osage they sworn to protect,and who are working for us. The Hypocrisy astounds. Elections soon to happen, and change needs to come in the worse way, make Osage Great again sounds about right. For every dollar spent on pet projects match the dollar for the Osage. Not to say there have not been great things that has happened. Our dollars working for us seems to have gone by the way side. Priorities misplaced. Are we making money from the Bluestem Ranch yet? Have the hedge fund managers been charged in the Osage llc case yet? And why has not the Chief spoken out about why the five man village case basically got a slap on the wrist for stealing our money? I can tell you why it happened, greed,no protections in place and allowed for this embezzlement, what it amounts to.
DeleteNumbers on the long post are skewed. $51,000 average total per employee is more like it and $1,200 per each Osage in a percap payment. If none of them were on the dole and working for the Nation, of course.
DeleteThey're not only spending up the money for their children and grandchildren, they're up spending the money for ours.
DeleteYes, since the new government (2006), we witness so much money going down the drain (big money)and missing. Does anyone know of any tribe that has their own wells? If we owned them and being sovereign, would we have to abide by most of the new BIA rules, like fines? Would the Nation be better off to abolish this LLC attempts and start anew of the drawing board, a new dept., new strategy to make money.
DeleteDakota Pipeline--CNN Breaking News: pipeline has to be re-routed. Army Corp. of Engineers not going to issue permit because of possibility of pipeline mishaps.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/04/504354503/army-corps-denies-easement-for-dakota-access-pipeline-says-tribal-organization
DeleteYou know, if a few members who don't like how this Osage Nation government is being run would put together a protest of the countless number of things they do that we don't like, maybe changes would take place.
Maybe we need the possibility of more wind farm mishaps too.
DeleteMaybe if everyone knew what was going on at the Nation would make all the difference when it comes to transparency. The Congress needs to do the diligence, When these bills come to Congress for appropriation they need to be better written lisytijg the pros and cons when deemed if not send it back.
DeleteThey don't have the guts to send them back. It's all a circus act to manipulate those of us who don't live there. They want to spend what's in those padded bills or it wouldn't be spent. $3-5 million every year padded in to keep away from us and to spend on them. Twelve against 1? Not! If we really knew what they actually think about us, we would never give them a vote again. The $30 million they have in the so called permanent fund is labeled as to be used for direct services to the Osage people only but in reality, it's used as collateral for the ginormous loans they have nowadays and can't be touched.
DeleteWhat I have to say is no surprise. When the will of our people come together culturally because as a Sovereign people we are strong united, not divided can we make a difference in peoples lives. Because the will is in all of us. Remember this Government works for us not for themselves and it is our decision not the other way around. And the power lies in the palm of hands The Osage.
DeleteActually, according to this article:
Delete""The casinos have guaranteed the loan for the purchase of the Bluestem Ranch in Osage County.”"
Great! What happens to the Casinos if they default on the loans? The bank owns the Casinos?
--->>> http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/12/13/gaming-enterprise-board-releases-2015-annual-report/
DeleteI will say this Thank you for the update on our gaming status, though I think it is time to "drain thr swamp". Paying someone not to put in games is a scam. We have our Loyal gamers and the letter of intent is we want to stretch our demographics. A win win for the state and if we eliminate the waste,ie lobbying we could put that money to better use, maybe to build another grocery store in the area? A great thought. We can stand on our own at this point in the game.That is $504,000 per year to Fair Meadows; $1.5 million per year to the OHRA and $5.5 million to the state per year for a total of $7.5 million, according to the compact. Sounds like pay to play with our money, maybe with that money we coukd put some of that back in the hands of our peopel and maybe we should write a letter to Gov. Fallen and see what she has to say all the while it would be an opinion right. How about making that money work for the Osage? Per-Cap? How about matching that money we have to pay to keep them from putting games in their establishments such as those we pay to play lobby for the Osage people. We could be saving half of that money and applying it to job growth where ever it is to be had in a market today. Unbelievable here it is in black and white posted in the Osage news. The Chief applying for a New compact with the state of OK. We need to think and do for ourselves.
ReplyDeletePrincipal Chief Geoffrey Standing Bear has called the Fifth Osage Nation Congress into a 4th Special Session scheduled for Dec. 27 to begin at 10 a.m. One subject is listed: Approval of Limited Waiver of Sovereign Immunity to Enter Into Contract with PayCom. What is wrong with ADP we have a contract with them already?
ReplyDeleteSo much for an out of town Christmas.
DeleteSorry for you bah hum bug!
DeleteThanks for your commitment.
DeleteI guess paid for in advance Xmas vacations out of town to surf or ski are out the question then?
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DeleteYES! Out of the question! They work little enough as it is already. I mean 1 (one) meeting of any kind in June of 2016? Three day's work in May of 2016? Click on the back arrow to see what they did and when:
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$44,000 for that stupid election on gay marriages that they should have had the courage of their convictions to stand up to and vote either up or down. Cowards the lot!
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Take a look at the Agenda for December 6, 2016:
Gutless no counts -- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what I am talking about cut the waste this is a bedroom issue and should stay that way and what a waste of Osages money. The U.S already has taken the stand on this issue. How assnine. The same goes for roe vs wade stay out of the individual choice not that late terms should ever be terminated. Simple you live your life and we live our life and we are all the better for it. PC is out the door.
Delete"Also, according to ONCR 17-08, the Nation is projected to receive $48 million in tribal revenue and $25.5 million in non-tribal revenue from sources including federal grants."
ReplyDeleteNo way do we have $25.5 million in benefits to the Osage membership overall despite the fact that those who live back home receive this amount from the Feds based on our numbers, not on those who live in Osage County. Those who cannot avail themselves of this funding sit at around 88% of the entire membership. This is upside down and they are still skimming 1-2 million bucks off the top of each yearly budget to put in one reserve fund or another to keep it away from all of the rest of us. This should be brought to the attention of the Federal authorities as soon as possible. The Federal funds should be more like 60-65% of what they are now or $16.5 million overall and that's being generous.
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/12/05/congress-revises-2017-projected-revenue-figure-again/
I am watching and numbers speaks in volumes they don't lie, people do. Thats not ok by any means. We are going to see a different or change in the future with a New Chief that will lead and make the little and big Osage great again Making Government work for us and not their pockets. I caanot wrap my head around we are today, paying someone to play. It's one thing if the lobbies were for the Osage and not the Osage Nation. But lobbies are all about the benjamins and self interest. Like I said for every dollar we spend on our Government ventures match it for the Osage.
DeleteDon't forget to track Santa on December 24, 2016!
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War and Peace Ceremonies of the Osage Indians will be the topic. https://www.facebook.com/OsageNews/photos/a.153834188010750.33094.134873493240153/1281805611880263/?type=3&theater
ReplyDelete"The other defendants not subject to the Nation’s default judgment filing are Leese, Yancy Red Corn and Betsy Brown of Red Eagle Feather Distributing LLC." Of course not. Yancy is an Osage related to that guy who predatorily walks up, hugs and kisses women on the mouth he doesn't even know.
ReplyDeleteSecond of all, isn't this reporting by the Osage News a little late? Or is this hearing scheduled on November 15th of 2017? WTH?
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/12/12/nov-15-hearing-scheduled-lawsuits-against-former-osage-llc-management/
These people knew Leese was a bad bet from the beginning. Why isn't the Osage Congress and the Chiefs responsible named for handing out money they knew was throwing good money after bad or should have known after the first infusion of cash went bad after the first year or so?
The hearing was held on November 15, 2016. A notice of the filing of a 30 page transcript of the proceedings was published on December 8, 2016. Had all of the named defendants appeared in court in a timely manner and made appropriate arguments, all three of the cases would have been thrown out of the Osage County District Court for lack of standing.
DeleteOsage LLC was never a legal entity of the State of Oklahoma, nor was it registered as a foreign entity, and as such it could have been prevented from bringing a legal action in an Oklahoma court or even a federal court. However, an argument related to lack of standing under Oklahoma Statutes requires it be timely filed else the courts will let stand a complaint which otherwise cannot be brought before the court.
The victory relies on the defendants ignoring the matter and/or not getting legal counsel eligible to be heard in an Oklahoma court. The cases not being dismissed shortly after being filed is due to the defendants retaining legal counsel unable to research the status of Osage LLC and file a proper motion for dismissal. The ON got lucky with this default judgment.
What we have is a failure of gross competency. And ripe to happen again, the ball was dropped straight cross the board. The Government authorised the appropriation blindly to the OLLC. You can say all day the board was lied to in buisness you verify...verify...verify..and it happens all the time, crony capitalism by all appearances until they get caught with there hand in the cookie jar. What bothers me most is why all these perks and who authorized such expenditures? When does the Osage wake up to the fact if we dont hold ourselves accountable the appearance of impropriety takes more of a sinister appearance, corruption from with-in. And then the next excuse will be well this is all our law allows us and then I say B.S. Because that excuse only works once. Change could not come sooner and it will be the will of the people, the Osage Tribe.
DeleteA motion was filed with the Osage County District Court on December 12, 2016 to vacate the default judgment pursuant to 12 O.S. 31.1. How the removal of records or files from the office of the court clerk plays into this case is a question that cannot be answered at this time because the document is not available online for review at this time.
DeleteGross incompetency, you ask me.
DeleteI guess your saying, understatement? Or?
DeleteThe motion to vacate judgment has been posted. It is actually based on 12 O.S. 1031.1 instead of the erroneous synopsis posted on OSCN.net.
DeleteOne of the included arguments for vacating the judgment is a statement by Plaintiff's at page 5 of their pleading on November 10, 2016 which reads, "Plaintiffs have not sought default judgment as a discovery sanction." The Defendants further argue that the Court Minute of November 15, 2016 does not constitute a judgment under Oklahoma law. There are two appellate court decisions which held that a Court Minute "could not be considered as a judgment, decree or appealable Order".
While the New Market parties were late in retaining legal counsel, it appears they finally engaged one who is competent. If the judgment isn't vacated by Judge Kane then it will be vacated on appeal. Why doesn't OLLC and the ON retain better attorneys? They certainly pay enough.
But it's da lawyer Amanda Proctor, don't you know? She's been waiting in the wings for years to be on the Osage Nation dole complaining all the way until she was and now her sister is on the gaming board too!
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Heard from one eminently credible source that she is charging big bucks for her work on the case. She's also the one that's supposed to get the OME Shareholders an accounting of the HPP lawsuit information but something went wrong when she went back into court and from what I'm hearing, she went too far and the whole thing got sent down or set back some way or another. I think they are appealing the case again. Had something to do with her fees or costs as an attorney that were being asked for that the court said she was on a contingency basis and since no money was being asked for in the case, only an accounting, the lawyers couldn't be paid by the court. Funniest thing I ever heard of in my life. Only in the Osage. People have worked on that case for years and years and years and I wonder if anyone as an attorney of record at any given time has ever been paid a dime for their services.
Congressman Supernaw has put out a new "Notes to the Nation" with in depth information about the purchase of the Bluestem Ranch. If you wish to receive a copy of this newsletter and others in future, contact Kugee at supernaw@flash.net and he will place you on his e-mail list.
ReplyDelete"Management Fraud is intentional misstatements or omissions of amounts or disclosures in financial statements."
ReplyDeletehttps://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/pubs/red_flags_fraud.pdf
I'd say the playing field is littered with red flags where the Osage Nation government and its accounting process is involved. Taking from one set budget and giving to another set budget? Moving amounts of money anywhere they want and having no rule or policy or procedure or law to stop money from flying around all over the place from one budget to the other budgets in one Branch of government! Simply because the Osage Congress doesn't want to be called back into session to adjust budget appropriations on this basis when needed! I'd say weak internal controls is at the very foundation of this dire situation that is reported to go on all the time with Osage Nation accounting.
Right...Congress clean the swamp!!!! What is the true expenditure for that line Item? Moving money from one line to another does not give you the real figure of the operating cost of that line Item. The carry over should roll over into the next year for that line item budget and at the end of that year should zero out. The appearance is we are always operating at cost when in fact that is not a true figure and then gives you the appearance of impropriety exists. For all intense purposes robbing peter to pay paul and then you have to look futher and follow the paper trail..the red flags are there and there are some who are realizing, there are Osages that are wise to the shenanigans and loopeholes that exists to the disadvantages of the Osage. Cost Overruns can be better negotiated in our contracts and should be paid by the Contractor, never should we pay this allows for better estimating by the contractor...So when I se what is costing the Osage how much mone1y to build this or that tells a story indeed. So we want a leader that is Transparent and will hold themselves to the Oath they took before they took the position that they are in and hold them to a standard that we deserve. Merry Christmas. A New year is here, a future is in our stars. We always have "Hope", and we must protect what it means to be Sovereign, we as a people, remember our elders and those who have made us what we aspire togetherpast , present and the future, makes us who we are today, We are Osage.
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Special Election information is located at https://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/what-we-do/elections
ReplyDeleteAbsentee Ballot request forms are being sent out with the hard copy of the Osage News.
DeleteMerry Christmas!
ReplyDelete4th Special Session of the Osage Congress today:
ReplyDeleteFor today, Agenda, Tracker, audio and video:
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ONCA 17-16, An Act to appropriate the sum of ninety thousand dollars ($90,000) to the Language and Cultural Resources Division to conserve and copy the "Osage Mission Collection" at the Jesuit Archives in St. Louis, Missouri; and to establish an altenate effective date. (Hamilton)
Delete$90,000? Why don't you ever start out with $1,000 or $2,000?
Out of the fund that was just created? That fund was created with funds that were over budgeted and captured by the Osage Congress to keep it from going to the Osage people to fund benefits for Osages all over the country who really need it.
The $40-45,000 per each Osage County Osage kid, kids:
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Lotta silver spoons could be bought for Osage children all over the country for this much jack, folks.
How President Obama Has Protected Our Sacred Land for Future Generations
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ReplyDeleteOMG! Do you mean to tell me that there is one member of Congress besides Kugee who will stand up for honesty, integrity and ethics in the Osage Nation government from our elected officials? GO TO Congressman Tillman! Get rid of those feral hogs on the Bluestem and observe the highest law of the land; the Osage Nation Constitution:
And I quote:
ARTICLE X - CODE OF ETHICS
Section 8. Independence of Boards and Commissions: Tribal officials and employees shall refrain from using tribal positions to improperly influence the deliberations, administrations, or decisions of established board or commission proceedings.
The whole presentation in this Committee meeting was illegal in the first place under the Constitution of the Osage Nation. As far as I'm concerned, Congressman Tillman had no other alternative but to walk out of that meeting so he would not be participating in an unethical proceeding taking place in an official Osage Congressional meeting.
Poor you, Mr. Johnson. Man up or quit your job and get out of town! Good. You need to be beat up if you are engaging in illegal acts if you are in any way operational out from under the Bluestem Ranch Board.
Congress declines adding four special election questions to the ballot in March. That means two questions on the ballet cost twenty thousand dollars each. I would have rather preferred the additional questions on the Ballot. Who said it would be to much for a individual is calling us Osages stupid. Edwards you are completely wrong. Lets have that Conversation that is long over due. Who is Edwards to speak on the peoples behalf?
ReplyDeleteIt will be the will of the people if they want to amend the Constitution not Congress the Osage People are Sovereign not Government.
DeleteThis is in regards to the removal of membership, personally I think one, the Nation and the BIA should be held liable for not vetting the enrollment process. Lack of diligence as well and should be held to accountability. How is this any different from 1888 when settlers were killing our Osage womenn to benefit financially by fraud, murder etc. Each and everyone of us can prove where we come from, what clan and sur name, with birth certs and so forth. Required by the enrollment process and our Constitution. Have Lintner take a DNA test and will end this dispute. Man, Red Eagle sorry to say just didn't have clue amd was feckless and has cost us so much money because of his incompetence. Truth. Reminds me of the wannabe Elizabeth Warren who wont take a DNA because her Grandmother talked about it so it must have been true, yet all of us know the truth as she boldly lies to us in our faces. You can find the article in the Osage News.org.
ReplyDeleteThis is a gross and detestable error. DNA tests don't identify what Tribe you are from or even if you are from a Tribe of Native Americans. Anyone who tells you that this is so and has a company that puts this forward as fact or the truth is telling you a lie and it's a huge scam where tons of money is being made and those companies should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI for fraud.
DeleteDrama King or Queen up above. Nobody is getting murdered here. The Osage Constitution substantially says if you can prove up your lineage connection to one of the Original Osage Allottees on the 1906 roll, you can become a member of the Osage Nation. Why do some of you people always use in such a despicable way the tragedy that took place back in the late 1800's and early 1900's to try to scare and manipulate others to your way of thinking. It's disgraceful.
DeleteThank you for responding. My thought yes, though it does not Identity what tribe you are from is just apart of a process and is not the equation. My clan is from Fairfax and we know who our family is, right? Recorded. And years ago. Its like saying my adopted brother is Osage but he is not. Our generation is not so far to not trace.
DeleteNo just History and no drama queen here, your the drama queen. The point was totally missed by you is the fact that people lie. Duh, and a ot of people did back in the day.
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DeleteCan't tell you if you're Osage so what the hell is the point and why even go to the expense? Another dead in the water idea being floated by the Executive Branch to scare everybody. It's sick and stupid and without merit of any kind at all.
Elizabeth Warren probably had a good chance to enroll in the Osage Nation in 2006. Anybody know if there was a quotum limit, like one-tenth over one-millionth?
DeletePlus floated by that Judge Stout but in this case I think it has to do with DNA testing of other living descendants to prove genetic relationships and connections.
DeleteNo quantum involved.
DeleteAncestry.com’s DNA testing is loosely affiliated with the LDS Church (Mormon). Took a competitive test some years ago with my mother as a lark for fun as a Christmas present. Test came back that I was predominately Italian and she was predominately Spanish when we know that we are French, Native American and in my case, English as well. Went to a legitimate lab for a real test that will stand up in court and the test came back for both us that I am 99% her daughter and she is 99% my mother. Told them about the test we took and the man laughted and said the Native Amercan ancestry can't be defined by a DNA test and therefore a particular Tribal community genetic affiliation or relationship is out the question. This is a huge scam going on right under people's noses all over the USA and big bucks are being made on it and the FBI is standing back and doing nothing about it.
Delete"He (StandingBear) said there can be no leases or encumbrances on the land made during the fee-to-trust process. Once the land is put into trust, all leases and encumbrances will be governed by federal law and Osage law."
ReplyDeleteThen what are they doing handing out verbal leases to one or the other as is being reported? It could take years and years and years before this land gets taken into trust.
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/12/28/congressman-walks-out-commerce-meeting-over-management-bluestem-ranch/
DeleteHang HEARTH! The terms and provisions of the Osage Constitution prevail here not some come lately statute. The Constitution specifically prohibits interference with business boards:
Section 8. Independence of Boards and Commissions: Tribal officials and employees shall refrain from using tribal positions to improperly influence the deliberations, administrations, or decisions of established board or commission proceedings.
StandingBear is in strict violation of this section right up to his eyeballs.
Osage people need to watch closely what is being done at the ranch. The Chief formed a professional board to run the ranch with no political interference. Then he tried to interfere and the board showed they were independent as they should be and didn't bow down. He has done enough to have removal charges filed if the Congress has the guts to do it again. People should think about what has happened with ranch before they even think about supporting anything to do he wants to do with the oil business. Payment is bad enough already.
DeleteJanuary 4, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Thank you! This is a brilliant post and I encourage everyone to read it about five times to let the wisdom and truth of it sink in.
DeleteKeep a close eye on the progress of this one --
ReplyDeleteOsage membership removal case going to trial
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2016/12/30/osage-membership-removal-case-going-trial/
Funny how it's OK to vote for same sex marriage that the members of Congress don't want to lose their jobs over in the ballot box but they wouldn't allow four other Resolutions to be added to the ballot making it far easier for the Osage Nation members to petition to make changes to their government with new amendments to the Constitution proposed by Alice Buffalohead:
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Why don't they want our participation I wonder? Because we would throw the entire lot of them with few exceptions right out of office?
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ReplyDeleteISTG! That Charles Red Corn is so full of crap.
ReplyDeleteFDR and his wife are not royalty of any kind. FDR was elected under a constitutional democracy not a constitutional monarchy.
Chief Fred Lookout was elected by the majority of Osage Headright owners under the 1906 Allotment Act provisions. He wasn't royal either despite what language may have been bandied back and forth in the days of old.
Royal people are those who are crowned and coronated as king. Nobody in either case, FDR or Fred Lookout or their wives have ever worn a crown in the USA or in the Osage since the 1800's. I get so tired of the spin the and the hype with some of these silly puffed up people who write and edit the Osage News. Good grief!
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2017/01/06/royalty-meets-royalty/
DeleteI started to read the article and realized where this was coming from. Somebody who wants to stay relevant and I'll leave at that. FOS.
DeleteFinally some good news to share about fiscal responsibility in the Osage Nation government. The Pope is a Jesuit. Let him find funds in the sumptuously rich Vatican to pay for these Archives in ST. LOUIS, Missouri!
ReplyDeleteOsage Congress votes down appropriation for preservation of Jesuit archives of Osage Mission Collection --->>>
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2017/01/05/osage-congress-votes-down-appropriation-preservation-jesuit-archives-osage-mission-collection/
High fives to Supernaw, Tillman, Buffalohead and Pratt who voted against spending $90,000 of the Osage people's money on this inappropriate appropriation.
It is my understanding the Four Sixes Ranch of Texas delivered two semi-loads of cattle to the Bluestem Ranch today. I am utterly disappointed. The Chief's decision to allow a non-Osage company to profit off of our asset seems reminiscent of the federal paternalism the Osage were forced to deal with over 100 years ago. (In 1896, Henry Foster of Kansas acquired a blanket lease for the entire Osage reservation. He developed our minerals estate and Osages received a royalty portion of the proceeds.)
ReplyDeleteWhile acquiring the Bluestem Ranch property the Executive and Congress made provision to operate our own asset.Through Tallgrass LLC the Nation owns Bluestem Ranch LLC--it is well funded and ready to work for us. The Chief and Tallgrass LLC formed the subsidiary for the purpose of developing a wholly owned Osage ranching operation and to centralize the Bluestem Ranch land management. Two of the most persuasive points used by the Chief to gain support for Bluestem Ranch LLC were that the business would have an operations advantage because (1. there is no mortgage payment and (2. the lease payment would be nominal. Essentially, the cost of land is covered by the casino and the board would cover maintenance costs.
The Chief appointed and Congress confirmed well qualified OSAGE board members. The board has submitted an Annual Plan of Operation, which has been reviewed and approved by Congress. It is unclear why the Chief has completely abandoned his original plan presented to Congress, Bluestem Ranch Board and the Osage people. This reversal seems personal in nature. This decision has not departed far from the federal ideology, 'Let someone else work your asset and just take a little of their profit.' Knowing we could have realized the full benefit of our asset and that we were prepared to develop and execute an "Osage" plan, I will never think this is a good idea!
Thank you for your comment about this new Bluestem Ranch development. First of all, a "Gentleman's Agreement?" This is crazy. Leases for any purpose where real property is involved need to be in writing. If we can't put land into trust that is encumbered, shouldn't we be running our own operation?
DeleteSee all posted entries under "Jim Ryan shared a link. December 30, 2016 at 6:02pm" at https://www.facebook.com/groups/234024393278360/
DeletePay particular attention to the comments by Chief StandingBear and Kugee Supernaw. They are very revealing.
He is exactly rightJim Ryan and Kugee, our future is on the line with this Ranch. And to maintain it any other way than the original proposal will discredit our Chief, our faith inour Constitution and our Congress of which he has done a pretty good job doing that on his own. Our Congress needs to hold a special session and once and for all tell the Chief back off and we shouldn't have to go there but we can. Public opinion is needed and Thank Jim Ryan we need to start and look at why these underlying narrative behind this and it is becoming to look like revenue exchange on a endless round table. Ripe for corruption. And our Chief is in the mix of this and I am not liking this one bit. Come on Congress it long over due you do this with your eyes wide open and do the diligence. I know money all to well and how to make it and managed multi million dollar buisness and you just don't throw money after money with out understanding how a buisness works.
DeleteThe Bluestem Board began having trouble with the Chief when they refused to buy buffalo from Ted Turner when they could be obtained free through other sources. Apparently the Chief was acting like a big shot and made promises he shouldn't have made. The Board acted like a board should and did what was best for the Osage people. Now the Chief has shown his true colors and has decided to make his own deals. This deal with Four Sixes may endear him to that family at the expense of the Osage people. For Osages one 6 worse that the mark of the beast 666.
DeleteCould this be a short-term lease while the Ranch plan is being developed? Is the Nation ready right now to buy cattle and run an operation on 43,000 acres with hired help and equipment? If this is short-term thing, in advance of being ready to run a ranch, it would be a reasonable way to make some money in the interim rather than letting the land go idle.
DeleteProbably. But if it aint in writing, it can get messy real quick. A back room, off the books, side nagreement orcontract isn't a good thing either because it can lead to just as many legal problems. If you don't commit the terms and conditions to writing, all sorts of assumptions on both sides can begin to take place and a court will honor verbal leases in court. It's expensive and ugly which in business is just about the only thing the Osages seem to know anything about. Often in written lease contracts, arbitration is one of the terms and conditions which can help keep the two parties out of court. A verbal lease however, on a he said -- he said basis, won't include this method of staying out of court should things turn down.
DeleteLet's not take this agreement into the realm of the demonic. We have enough trouble on our plate as it is. This is a well respected outfit from what I have been able to glean but is it appropriate for the Chief to be side-stepping the Board? My sense is no and that he is in ethical violation of the supreme law of the land which in this case is the Osage Nation Constitution.
DeleteKugee called the Chief out" "...the Osage News printed the whoppers you said in the last issue of the News. Shall I elaborate?"
DeleteWOAH! this conversation on Facebook is getting really interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/yanman/
It was only a matter of time...
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ReplyDeleteCOMMUNITY MEETING: Texas Osages of Houston will host their 2017 Spring Gathering on Feb. 12 in Grangerland, TX.
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OSAGE PRINCIPAL CHIEF REQUESTS TRIBAL MEETING...
See www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/news/osage-principal-chief-requests-tribal-meeting-increasing-osage-oil-gas-production
See also the Meeting Agenda at osagenation-nsn.gov.s3.amazonaws.com/files/departments/Minerals/2017-0112-Exec-Joint-Mtg-increase-oil.pdf
There has been some discussion about this meeting including a proposal for the Osage Nation Energy Services, LLC (ONES) Board to have a blanket lease over all of Osage County given to them by a vote of Osage Minerals Council. There is some question as to what this will do to the power structure of the Shareholder elected Minerals Council to continue running the Osage Mineral Estate in terms of the current ability to consider and approve leasing to the oil and gas producers as well as to continue with the administration, development, and management of the Osage Mineral Estate. There is a second concern that this will perhaps place the ONES Board above the Osage Nation Minerals Agency from a government controlling standpoint in conflict with the specified provisions of Article XV of the Osage Nation Constitution. It has been suggested as a cautionary measure that very serious questions need to be asked of the Chief and the presenters and be fully answered at this meeting before any such arrangement is made or provided for by the Minerals Council going forward.
"The meeting will be a public meeting and is scheduled for 10:00 a.m. on January 12, 2017 at the Pawhuska Business Development Center.”
Address: 1225 Virginia Short St, Pawhuska, OK 74056
Phone: (918) 287-3357
To contact the Members of the Minerals Council directly about this meeting, see the most current Osage Minerals Council Newsletter at https://s3.amazonaws.com/osagenation-nsn.gov/files/departments/Minerals/2016-12_3OMC_Winter-Newsletter.pdf
If you have a Headright share or portion of one, it is highly recommended that you plan to attend this meeting to find out what is being planned for the future by the Chief’s Office. Please share this e-mail with all of your Osage friends and relatives on your e-mail list.
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What do we make of this?
ReplyDeleteStanding Bear reveals possible gaming sites in Missouri to gaming enterprise board
http://www.osagenews.org/en/article/2017/01/09/standing-bear-reveals-possible-gaming-sites-missouri-gaming-enterprise-board/
I think it's an interesting idea. I love this area of the country. I would also like to see Arkansas casino opportunities explored around Berryville and Eureka Springs. Big bucks to be made if there is little or no competition. I say take it seriously and plan accordingly.
Go for it!
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ReplyDeleteIf the USA were to turn back the assets of the Osage Tribe currently held in trust including ending the beneficiary Osage Mineral Estate Trust from which, the Headright owners receive their quarterly checks, does the or should the Federal government compensate the Headright owners for the loss of future income as a result of such a termination?
I never got a copy of an Osage Nation Constitution reprint earlier last year, did you?
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So strange. Not even the AG's Office can get it right.
Well...Well...Well...
ReplyDeleteI guess it doesn't pay to steal from the Osage Indians.
Both these guys are defendants in the case against the Osage, LLC., along with Carol Leese and Robert Petre.
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2016/lr23683.htm
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2016/comp23683.pdf
I could have told you this, or something like it would happen when Leese was first hired. The OLLC Board ought to be brought up on charges too for not managing the situation and not making certain that legitimate and above board people were involved in this phony lending venture. I wonder how much that hot-shot from The Harvard Project, Jonathan Taylor, also an OLLC Board member had to do with this and The Harvard Project should be notified immediately of his involvement with this money lending scheme, as the OLLC Board had to have made this cash investment, especially if it was made while he was on the OLLC Board.
If the Osage people hadn't made such a stink about getting justice for the money we could have used, and the Osage Nation ultimately lost as a result of certain members of the Osage Nation Congress not doing their due diligence especially when they were warned about that Leese character, the lawsuit being brought against them in Court in Tulsa would likely never have happened.
The complaint filed in Tulsa against the parties named in the lawsuit:
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How much did Yancy Redcorn get at an agent or broker at Red Eagle Feather of the million buck investment to New Market above the $26,666 on these "sure thing" investments that he was supposedly finding for the Osage LLC.?
Isn't Yancy, Charles Red Corn's kid? You know, the one that Blogs for the Osage News.
DeleteOne of them, Howard C. Hill must be the great great grandson of Professor Harold Hill, the Music Man.
DeleteHa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
I'm glad you find the $20,000,000 loss of the Osage people's money so funny.
Delete"The Harvard Project should be notified immediately." You do realize it's the Harvard project, Gray, Pipestem, and other high society types that created this mess, don't you?
ReplyDeleteYep! I do. Been railing about it since before the vote was held on the Osage Constitution itself.
DeleteI say it is time to change who we pick as a Chief next time becuase it apparently still spreading the liberalism attitude with in our Government as opposed to the opposite happening. As I have quoted many times you don't have to look to far to see where your dollars are going to, failed projects all in the name of big Government and now we are opening up another Casino all fine and dandy, but look at the meat of the deal who will benefit from this deal outside the Nation? We can end this take of our funding and Negotiate thru voting on this matter how the Osage people would like to direct said funding? After all it is our money right? How is liberalism working? It's not, how is the dictator working, it's not. How is the Harvard Project working its not. Socialism will always fail. Why because it ignores principles and it ignores incentives. Look at the loses in the last, well since 2006. All in the name of economic growth to justify a means to an end, in the guise of Sovereignty. Twenty million gone and probably will never be fully accounted for, and it wasn't like there wasn't public out cry. Transcends to the appearance of impropriety has occurred coupled with the lack of diligence. Gross negligence by the Board, commerce committee faild as did Congress. Once again no accountability from with in. This should have never happened. We can do better. I know common sense and I have more on my little pinky than the Chief has on all 10 fingers. See the forst for the trees. Don't be a Hillary. She is in up to her ears with some stuff that is going to come down the pike real hard. Man the tall tails she told.
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Absentee Ballot Request Form:
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Geoffrey Standing Bear is for giving Osage Nation Treasury money to benefit the Shareholders which may or may not increase headright payments.
ReplyDeleteTwo things. One, this is the Osage People's money not Standing Bear's. Benefits to all of us come first before this very privileged class of Osages gets even more money from the Osage government including, two, the dead on smoking gun open verbal conflict of interest in stating that he wants to use government funds to raise his headright checks since he is an admitted headright owner along with his wife among other headright owners. Bullseye violation of Article X, Section 3 and Section 4 of the Osage Nation Constitution.
Benefits for us all in a per-capital payment or a Christmas Bonus or whatever else you can think of first Chief and then you and your shareholders in the OME can look at what's left, if anything at all, the way you spend money.
Hear it for yourself right here --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtDE7sRhqTM
WOW! I thought I heard him say he was there not as a part of the government? With a banner of the Osage Nation behind him and Clarion Call adverts for this meeting on the Osage Nation web site... He's so convoluted half the time, I wonder if he actually believes what he's putting out there to the public.
DeleteWilliam Fletcher mentioned in the joint meeting that the law suit is "complete" and now he's waiting for reply/results. This case is so important, it's directly related to the horror of our past. Thank you William Fletcher for your effort and devotion to follow this through, and those previously involved, God bless those who have passed. I've waited with great interest for this monumental moment no matter the ending results. Rosemary Wood's Osage News article was posted Jan. 10th, just two days before this news.
ReplyDeleteWhat? So you get an accounting? None of your business who gets what, who got what or anything else in between. What happened to the right to privacy where personal property is concerned? Next, if it came from the Trust quarterly payments, will Billy Sam want an accounting of how you spent the money or if you even have spent it? So rank and low rent. As usual.
DeleteUpset a little probably because now the truth will come to light.
DeleteWhat truth? That you got a headright check and how much you've made over the years for all the world to see? How exactly is this any of my business? BTW, Billy Sam should know that I, and a ton of others like me, really don't care. I don't even care whether or not the Headright owners are Osage or not. This is so juvenile and provincial to me it's not even to be believed. Even if you know, the Federal Court won't let you take my money away now or ever so what the hell is the point?
DeleteThis is how misinformed you are about your rights as a Headright owner you are. And some of us do care about the direction we ate going in. It should have never been allowed our Headrights to be given away in the first to an entity or non-osage ever. This occurred for many reasons if you understand our History. Not so complex. But I do care and you are only and probably the only person who does not care so why post here. This site is not for you then. Here is one of msny lessons you should take in Business 101 economics. Shareholders need financial statements to evaluate their equity investments and help them make informed decisions as to how to vote on corporate matters. When evaluating investments, shareholders are able to glean meaningful data found on financial statements. It allows you to study the over all performance.
DeleteNonsense! This was then and is today property owned by individual Osages who have every right under God to dispose of such property as they see fit and have seen fit for 110 years. You have no right to sit in judgement on how they have disposed of their own property no matter how selfish and greed driven you are. This is the proverbial "elephant in the living room" with the Osages and one of the reasons that headright owners today and yesterday have said to family members across the board, "You'll find out about the headright income when you get the check and not before." Mind your own business. Get your nose out of my families' business and every other shareholder's business as well. You don't have the right to determine whether or not it's right or wrong if headrights have been given away to anyone in the world or any entity whatsoever. Move on and concern yourself with your own business and not mine or anyone else's. Get on with your life and let others live theirs the way they choose and see fit to do so.
DeleteSo shallow you are to think I want to know your business has nothing to do with what you have. Lol You missed the point.
DeleteNever mind the hotels/motels at the Casinos. If the Osages really wanted to do everyone a favor, they'd build a decent motel on Campus. They've got enough land there and money available surely to make that work.
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Osage Blog Conversation continues at http://osageblog.blogspot.com/2017/01/conversation-january-2017.html
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