Ray McClain is reported to be ill. Please be sure to keep him in your prayers. He works hard for the benefit of all of the Shareholders and we need more Osages to follow his outstanding example.
Praying for you Ray. My husband is just 50 and has stage 4b pancreatic cancer. Anytime our loved ones are sick it is scary. I hope it is not too serious and that you are back better than ever soon!
Goodness, we will pray for you and your family during this difficult time...life is not perfect its what we do in our time will be our legacy. We have one life and just one chance to get it right...and illness does not discriminate. Living is what we all should be doing and working to make others happy and not just ourselves..my prayers to you and your family...my problems pale to yours and makes me appreciate not that I don't but more so...thank you for sharing your sadness.
Urgent!!!!! Regarding the Cobell Settlement Checks received this week.
Members of our family with equal headright shares received settlement amounts that are different from one another some by as much as $1000 what is the basis for payments?
Just read an updated article on Ray McClains Osages-you-need-to-know.com, not good news to say the least. If the BIA handbook says we are compliant and the processes are in place, where as, one can assume these protocols did not occur because surely if they had been met, we would not be here in the very spot we are in today?.That beiing said, did the Donalson inform the M.C the nature of the problem 10 years ago? And once agian why have the CFR'S being delayed for approval and who is behind the delay? It's costing the Shareholder's a pretty penny to flair the Natural Gas and so much more. It shouldn't take 2 years to approve the long over due CFR'S. And most importantly has there been an injunction filed against the Donalson Suit? At the end of the day we have just as much right to know how when and what and where, what is being done concerning this matter of importance M.C. Mr Waller. This is a matter of open records. Not just that, we know what lies ahead but lets not make it tens years down the road...Restitution will be levied heavily against the BIA for not handling this matter diligently and now we need damage control while you sit there and say nothing on the matter and your being paid by us and should be keeping us informed.
A probable place to look for some of the delays would be to some of the members of our own MC2 that went to Washington with the producersto protest the proposed CFR's instead of looking into why some of the regulations were not being enforced and helping to correct the situation!!
The landowners can probably lock their gates and demand entry agreements from producers. I doubt if any agreements were legally filed by most producers.
To poster @ 1:37 am wow your up late...not after the agreement is signed when they purchase their land we have the right of way..that includes the producer. To poster at 7:24...there shouldn't be a delay. This was part of the settlement agreement. what we should be asking is why at the Administration level is the approval taking so long? The damage and cause and effect most importantly, all of you should be concerned...we are losing fist over dollars. Once again we are on the back burner as to do what is right should have happened yesterday. TO NOT HERE FROM YOUR COUNCIL ON ANY OF THESE PRESSING MATTERS IS SERIOUSLY DISCONCERTING.
I heard that a thing like this happened down in Texas where landowners locked out Tribe's oil producers and the oil producers sued and won and it cost the landowner's their properties due to damages to the oil producer's businesses. Not a good idea to follow Drummond's advice for any kind of oil producer lockout in Osage County.
I heard - what tribe in Texas? The Drummond's are legally correct-unless the producer can show an ingress-egress agreement where the surface owner was compensated for damages, he has no right to be on the land. If the land changes owner with no deed restriction ??? The Osage Nation, BIA and the Producers are misleading everyone.
I agree. Drummond has no right to be on the land or giving out stupid advice that could cause those who follow him to lose everything theyve got put by and their property too.
Right. Its pretty black and white and clear where the BIA stands on this issue after reading the BIA handbook. Or for whatever issue may exisit, doesn't I don't know but I'm surmising. This women may be being used, non the less, when you look at this isssue you have to be engaged and see the fine print here...I know how this will end to predictable. From time to time issues do arise and everything in its due time...but the consequence and someone will pay for the damage and it's not going to pennies on the dollar to the Shareholders.
Thanks for the report on Ray. I talked to him yesterday before he had heard anything and I know he is anxious to get the surgery over with. Good news about his heart now we have to sweat out the surgery and continue to pray for a successful operation and recovery.
Maybe your MC and Nation can find another way to waste your money. http://barnsdalltimes.com/http:/barnsdalltimes.com/news/two-wind-suits-tossed "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". then our elected officials.
This is just unbelievable, you could cut the bias from the Judge with a knife and serve it on a platter. Oh yes we are appealing. But most importantly, what is our M.C opinion of which they seem to be cowardly not responding to the Donalson case, now the wind farm. We pay them folks and we want accountability and transparency if MR. Waller wants to take the 5th then we will ask for a new Speaker. End.
“I don’t believe in wasting my time reading something then listening to something,” he (Ottawa County District Court Judge Robert G. Haney) said Thursday. What the hell does he have to do that's so pressing? Go fishing? Why is this happening in Ottawa County anyway? This is an Osage County legal matter front and center. Can we file for Judicial misconduct on a dereliction of duty situation like this one? Wow! What kind of Judges do you have in the State of Oklahoma? "Andy of Mayberry" Justices should command more respect and have more legal dignity than the ones you have sitting on the bench. This is so nutty I can hardly believe what I read on the page.
I am as shocked as you are. Call the BAR...report him. His opinion on this matter reflects bad ethics on his part to rule in the manner that he did...and right, why was this not held in OSAGE COUNTY?
.The hearing was held in the county courthouse in Pawhuska. Judge Kane recused himself because he has himself, leased property to the wind farm people. Haney was called in to replace Kane for this issue. It’s still a stacked deck, but it was done properly, I think. It
Would someone explain or point me to information on what Donelson and Friend stand to gain by their lawsuit? If they are Osage shareholders then if oil production decreases because of their lawsuit, then they are hurting themselves with a lower headlight payment. Given that the other shareholders would suffer as well and focus their wrath on them, then there must be something that they feel makes it worthwhile. I doubt they are doing it for the environments sake. If they are being backed by someone else like Ted Turner, what does Ted have to gain?
Donelson is an Osage, and a shareholder, and owns a 2,000 acre ranch at Burbank. Friend is not Osage, not a shareholder, and owns land SW of Hominy. Turner is a wealthy tree hugger who has purchased the old Duncan ranch west of Hominy. He raises buffalo. Gentner Drummond is a wealthy attorney and rancher who has inherited and purchased thousands of acres in Osage county.
If the Osage trust could be broken, the mineral rights to all of this Osage county land would likely revert to the surface owners. This is the motive for the Donalson action. All 4 of them would benefit immensely. The Donalson share of headright income would pale in the light of the 20% royalty income potential for 2,000 acres of prime Osage oil country. Ted Turner is a green activist out front, but he has already leased thousands of acres to drillers in New Mexico and other places. However, we don’t know for sure if he is involved or not, yet.
All four of them are driven by greed. If Martha Donelson owned the mineral rights under her property, she would probably not mind a well right on her front porch, if that’s where the oil was. If their suit should be successful, you can bet that oil production would certainly not decrease then. But it will be far too late fpr the Osage shareholders.
It may be time. The land was bought with a riveter clause of 25 years which was delayed several times. They may get congress to honor the original intent of the 1906 Act.
Not so. The 1978 Act to amend the 1938 Act that amended the 1906 Allotment Act of the U.S. Congress has reserved, to the Osage tribe, the mineral rights into perpetuity. This means for as long as the sun shall rise and the rivers go down in the sea, in other words, forever. This is a United States Federal law and this provision will outlast any trust or trust relationship that the Federal government has with the Osages or any form of government that it may have at any particular point in time. As long, of course, as the United States of America exists as a sovereign country in the world.
And the seeds of the tall prairie blue stem grass were spread by floods, water, wind dust and buffalo patties. So, were the idea's of the landowners getting more for damages from roads, holding ponds, pad sites ect. & ect . No, it was nothing new when Grandpa E.E. Beach many times had his driver take him over to Joe Donalson place or to Bert Cobly place to talk about getting a little more damage relief. Did it happen , yes in a small amount the Osage Landowners Protective Association, did this in a way in the early 1950's. You can still find documents at the Honorable Robert Kerr library at Norman Ok. to contest to those facts. H
"...she wouldn't mind a well on her front porch..." You got that right. A lot of Osage folks have no use for those greed driven Donalsons and that goes way back.
I was emailed the Sept. Mineral Council newsletter once and then another revised one but I could not open either successfully. Anyone else having problems or is it just ME?
Good read curious as to why no one has followed suit by reading these changes, or as I see long over due changes. Most importantly what brought about these changes? Doesn't it list the regulations in the BIA Operational Handbook?
This taken from the BIA handbook was a regulation by the APD process, was it overlooked by the BIA? " Determines whether the drilling constitutes a significant environmental impact. The actual environmental documentation is created by Agency or Regional Offices or may be provided by a prospective lessee. In many lease situations, a categorical exclusion may be appropriate because detailed NEPA documentation is determined by the site specific environmental requirements within an APD application." ƒ
4th Osage Nation Congress convenes Tzi-Zho Session at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/events/4th-osage-nation-congress-convenes-tzi-zho-session
On demand audio via the internet for the opening day of the new Congressional Session is available at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/sessions
What does the heck does the Chief mean by a welfare state? No per-cap past the crumbs they throw to the majority of us from the lavish banquet table they gorge themselves on day in and day out. So the Congress is only going to work during this Official 24 Day Regular session as a total group on Monday, Wednesday and Fridays when in full session for the next ten days? WTH? That's roughly only 15 days to transact the people's business as a whole Congress out of 24 total days with weekends off!!!!!!!!! Why not just come in one day a week you lazy worthless louts!!!!!!!!! Recommendations so that not a full year of full appropriations for Fall, Spring and Summer where the educational scholarships for students getting a higher education goes???? Does this stink to high heaven or what? And another new government bureaucratic division of Governmental Operations for the Executive Branch? Give us a break!!!!!!!!!!! AK Chief GSB spearheading the $2.5 million for the Pawhuska Arbor and what will the cost overruns be on this? You have to listen to one bill after the other for thousands and millions being spent hand over fist. WOAH! Does any of this spending benefit most of us Geoffrey Standing Bear? Is Edwards backing away from the Seniors having the higher amount appropriated for them on the Osage Health Card? No open meetings notice for official Congressional meetings or small groups of members of Congress? What is this Buffalohead and capturing all of the proceeds of $10 million to impoverish the gaming enterprise of funds they need to operate and function properly? What in hell is going on here? Things look like they are seriously deteriorating on the very F I R S T day the 4th Congress's first Regular Session.
The Osage Nation Congrssional Committee List FY2014-2015 is available at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/legislation
Galen you are so dense. Wickstrom is objecting to the fact that the BLM regulations are going to be adopted under the new CFRs, period; no matter who sees to their implementation be that BIA or EPA or Rudy's Goose! Sheesh, man. See the forest for the trees, will you? This is a thicket of regulations and the EPA wants in too? What's this Federal Register deal about the EPA wanting to regulate in Osage County too mentioned in the meeting? When are you MC people going to get that Waller guy to stop interrupting everyone all the time? Joan Rivers was funny. Everett Waller is not.!!!!!!!
When are they going to get it? You need to listen to Part II of the meeting and the comments of former Councilman Bob Martin on the Drummond filed lawsuit.
I couldn't agree more. Where did the money disappear and why are there no records? And were their bank records, the five man board, subpoenaed? And why was a Audit not performed by the Osage Nation OFPR sooner like weekly by weekly, and monthly? Logically, in this day and age this should have not occurred in the first place had these policies been enforced. Screams incompetence all over the place. In the end let the punishment from stealing from your own people fit the crime of banishment and take away their status. Let this be a lesson by example, of what can happen in the future.
Osage blogger posted "The 1978 Act to amend the 1938 Act that amended the 1906 Allotment Act of the U.S. Congress has reserved, to the Osage tribe, the mineral rights into perpetuity." This is probably unconstitutional since a good deal of the Mineral Rights didn't belong to Osages and the surface property changed hands with as an ownership right. If challenged in court the rights would probably go back to the land owners as was the origional intent of the 1906 Act. You better hope the Drummonds don't do this.
Wrong again! The mineral rights ran with the Cherokee Trustees Deed for the purchase of the Osage Reservation by the Osage Tribe of Indians that was the sole real estate owner not the individual Osages alive at the time on June 14, 1883. What most Osages today don't seem to know is that the purchase of the Osage Reservation was a real estate property sale from the Cherokee Tribe; the seller to the Osage Tribe; the buyer. The 1906 Allotment Act reserved the mineral rights to the Osage Tribe; the legal owner of the land at the time for a period of 25 years. There were a number of extensions to amend that time period in the 1906 Act in various subsequent Acts of the U.S. Congress, which holds the Plenary Power over all Native American Tribes located within the borders of the USA, to amend the 1906 Act and the last one on this issue was the 1978 Act provision to amend the reservation of the mineral rights to the Osage Tribe into perpetuity. These are all Federal Acts signed into law by the President of the United States that supersede and trump State laws and Tribal laws and they will prevail.
Review the ownership under a trust and you will find out that this involves title and how it is held not the benefits of ownership where the beneficiaries are concerned. The U.S. Congress can release the legal title to the mineral rights they hold under the Cherokee Trustees Deed of 1883 by issuing a new deed to the Osage Nation at any time they wish under the pertinent provision of the 1978 Act "...until otherwise provided by Congress". There never has been a deed of conveyance issued by the Feds where the mineral rights are concerned so they are still tied to the original Cherokee Trustees Deed for the purchase of the Osage Reservation. That's why this Trustee's Deed has protected the Federal Reservation status in Osage County because it's still tied to that deed that created the Reservation status to begin with that the Federal Courts seem to be so shamefully ignorant of today. The land was separated from the deed in the 1906 Allotment Act. The mineral rights never have been separated from the deed since 1883. Let's hope that doesn't happen anytime soon or the Osage Nation will have to stand to against a whole lot more of the same as what we are seeing going on today.
The Cherokee Trustee's Deed of 1883 for the purchase of the Osage Reservation specifically states verbatim "...between the Cherokee Nation...and the United States of America, in trust for the use and benefit of the Osage and Kansas Indians..." The Kaw (Kansa or Kansas) Indians subsequently purchased a portion from the Osages of the land set aside for their Reservation in Kay County. The 1906 Allotment Act clarifies by Federal law that the mineral rights are reserved to the Osage Tribe of Indians. As I understand it, the legal entity that survives today is the Osage Nation because it took over equitable title to the mineral rights tied to the Cherokee Trustee's Deed that were reserved by the 1906 Allotment Act to the Osage Tribe (Sec. 3. "That the oil, gas, coal, or other minerals covered by the lands for the selection and division of which provision is herein made are hereby reserved to the Osage tribe...") which were transferred when the 2006 Osage Nation Constitution was ratified.
You're welcome. It's important to understand that there are two Federal Osage Mineral Estate Trusts. The first is the land trust created by the Cherokee Trustee's Deed for the purchase of the Osage Reservation where the mineral rights are concerned and the second is the minerals income trust created by the 1906 Allotment Act for the benefit of the Headright owners.
And now this from The Journal Record this morning: "Buyer beware: Lease sale set despite uncertainty" "For the second time in six months, the Osage Minerals Council is sponsoring an oil and gas lease sale, and Vice Chairman Talee Redcorn wants even more auctions." CRIMEiny! Caveat emptor now? What new mess is this that the Shareholders have to deal with because you refused to see reason or pay attention to what you should have been doing all along together with the BIA? Galen? Andrew? Sonny Boy? Cynthia warned you time and again and you wouldn't listen to her or anyone other than yourselves. Nymex my foot! Greed driven total screw ups the lot of you! You new Osage government people who have lead us into this OK Corral should be taken out and...
The wiz kids you just mentioned don't realize the dynamics of the oil patch will be changed for ever when nymex is put in place. Will we have to pay for transportation for our part of the oil. If we do, nymex price increase might cover that cost. What about that Galen
Read the document, long read. Screams who the owners are of the M.E and NEPA reqiurments throughout the Document and who is to enforce them, The BIA and the DOI. Very detailed to say the least. Thank you Osageblogger for posting this revelent document. I recommend everyone should take an hour to read this. Question, laid out the deffintions or objectives have not been promulgated? You couldn't operate otherwise without following the standard as it realates to the CFR'S as well.
"We are being judged, not just by how smart we are, or by our training and expertise, but also by how well we handle ourselves and others." -Daniel Goleman on Emotional Intelligence This is a quote at the bottom of an e-mail sent from Jacquelin Boulanger, Osage Nation Legislative Branch, Adminstrative Services Support. I think it's wonderful. How well are the members of the Executive Branch and the Congress handling themselves where a fair and equitable distribution of benefits associated with Tribal funding goes to 85% of the members of the Osage Nation? Since we will never see a poll requesting this kind of information from the Osage News, type 1 for thumbs up or 2 for thumbs down. Thank you.
2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2 for every year of the Const. government. At least if we had the tribal council our families would have benefitted from other generous family members. Dismal record of sharing with us who now have a right to expect fair treatment. It's a fraud really the way they keep it all for themselves.
As it happened today: the Health and Social Services Congressional Committee amended the Osage Health Card bill, ONCA 14-78, upward from $5 million to $7.9 million for all of the Osage people. Voting in favor of this amendment were Congresspersons Jech, Pratt and Mason. Congresswoman Edwards was in the Committee meeting to put forward the amendment to raise the amount of the bill $2.9 million. OUTSTANDING! IMPRESSIVE AND EXCEEDINGLY WELL DONE on the part of four of our members of the Osage Nation Congress. You earned your pay today for the benefit of all Osages no matter where they reside in the world. WONDERFUL AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK! Today I change my vote from a "2" to "1" in a big way for A THUMBS WAY WAY UP!
This is good news, but give a vote and most would prefer a desire to spend that money eleswhere, like to bills, food, well I'm in good health but that is because i am pro active and given the fact coupled with IHS and the affordable care act gives you the opportunity to have great coverage when it comes to prescriptions and so forth. Lets put a vote on that.
Theres still a lot of creeps in that congress who will vote against that bill when it comes up for a vote on the floor of the congress. Chief could also veto it if the congress votes to pass it. You got a long way to go here and I wouldnt hold your your breath. These folks are Osage County centric and they want it all. I heard the committee chair Shaw and Norris vote against the amendent and I didn't hear Maker vote today. He must be out with a hangover again. AP Chief is in the meeting and doesnt have to be so this makes Maker look even worse. He's always out but is reported to go to every seminar and convention out of town that comes up. When are they going to begin drug and alcohol testing of the elected officials of the Osage Nation too?
Maybe. That $5 million they hide in over budgeting every year is money out off your wallet in a percap of $275 a year. $18 million in Osage LLC losses is another thousand bucks you could have had in the last few years too and still they give that damn thing a Congressional vote of confidence. I have an idea. The Congress don't get a paycheck from the Nation until that Osage LLC stops losing money and shows a profit. Don't think they wouldn't vote to make it go away the very next day if that were ever to become the case. They are always so harsh with spending on 85% of us, they should see the same harshness themselves for Congressional negligence of the loss of $18 million of the Osage people's money.
Who do we have to see about that? That dead lazy AG? Two or three official legal actions with one resulting restitution slap on the wrist in how many years he's been getting benefits and a six figure salary from the Osage Nation.
Rule of thumb: "What was spent (of last year's budget) plus 5%," R.J. Walker? Trying to cut the gaming commission budget and then they added 5% to a portion of it? Did I understand this correctly in today's Government Ops Committee?
ONPD has 30 Sargents and 13 Patrol Officers when we had only one patrol officer in 2006 at the time of the vote on the Constitution? WOAH! When there are only 2,750 Osages who live in Osage County? Is that overkill or not? Between both budgets Federal and Tribal the amount is a grand total $1.3 million? That's incredible. How much are these people paid? With this much money flying around we have a right to know!!!!!!!!!!!
What's all this reduced by last years budget crap I'm hearing on here? They just subtract what wasn't spent last year and then try to act like they are really reducing these budget amounts? Is that what these jokers are up to now?
That AG is going to return $29,000 of just under $1.5 million!!!!! To do what? Find the most expensive outside legal council in the State of Okla? LMAO!!!!!! Appropriate money out of the minerals agency budget for legal fees not the Nation. BORROW the money from the Nation but don't co-mingle funds between Executive offfices and the minerals agency. $400,000 - $700,000 in four years into the future... plus the Donalson lawsuit comment from Galen Crum as guest speaker. Unintended consequences of all these lawsuits from Kugee. How can the AG predict how bad it may get until a judgment from a Court is issued. What are our chances of winning is a fair question.
$200,000 for that stupid Super Board? Oh iPad Ray Ray you said the same thing about the Osage LLC when you said that what has been spent before will be all for naught if we don't keep throwing money at it. How well did that work for you and all of the Osage people $18 million later lost due to your foolishness and fiscal immaturity?
$50 million appropriations with $44 max cap. Why do we even need this new government to run us right into the ground like this: http://osagenews.org/en/article/2014/09/10/congress-and-chiefs-come-together-meeting/
What a liar liar liar the Chief is!!!!!! ...that his office’s budget is trimmed to $1.9 million and is “the lowest amount ever in the new government since 2006, we believe that was a good accomplishment.” The budget for the Office of the Chiefs for 2007 was $737,613 according to ONCA 07-33 which was signed into law on April 23, 2007. Did he think we wouldn't go to the trouble to check?
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youre kidding. go where to listen to meetings? this osage web site is the pits. we had it on for a while but the sound was so low for some speakers we gave up. now to find the recordings is beyond what we can do. we are in our 60s, cant they make it easier for us old folks.. they thro around 25 million like nothing and have the worst web site I have seen! wish we still had the old one.....
I "soundly" recommend the Soundfreaq product called Pocket Kick, no pun intended. This portable little sucker can play sound as loudly as you can stand it and it fits in your pocket. It's Bluetooth wireless or connects to computers, iPods, iPads or other like devices at the earphone/headphone jack outlet. I'm really impressed with it and my Mother who is now 98 years young can listen to these meetings like she was sitting right in the room. See http://www.soundfreaq.com/products/pocketkick
Just got off the phone with Albuquerque and just as i thought they don't have any money posting information for restricted iim accounts.also said there not aware that department of OST will be handled it.so you would think that after 2yrs working with doi and bia they could of had this step taking care of but no. I just can't believe the no competences or that nobody would ask this question.
Read a earlier post above. So let me see if I have it correctly, you are talking about Cobell and said monies in our restricted accounts. You're calling for a status update. From what I understand, no money if you have a current adress will be sent directly to your IMM if you don't have direct diposit set up already. The only money that will go directly into their IMM account will be those who are MIA. Thats how I understand it to be. Call GCG to verify.
The incompetence is on the DOI, but then again it just goes to show you whats not happening at the DOI and it took GCG to clean up a mess that you would have thought after this lawsuit came to fruition the DOI would have been more diligent. And irs not entirely their fault as some of this rests on the BIA as well for not following through as well with better tracking, but if you don't put in a change of adress this is what happens, coupled with no one watching period how these probates are being processed ,of course this goes back in the day. What I dont understand is how could I be apart of this suit yet they, GCG wants copies of the will which was approved by a judge years ago. And their was no probate because we had a living will.
Restricted account are to be direct deposit in IIM Accounts with the cobell case. GCG Supervisor did say direct deposit start Sep 22 But the office of OST doesn't have any information on the direct deposit as yet.
I know we will appeal. The same could be said about the wind farms. What gives them the sovereign right? None that I can see. What gives them the right to intrepidate? And this Judge has openly expressed his opinion publicly his bias should be removed and get a injunction to stop building til once said and done.
We should have built gas power plants for electric and we could have been making millions. And nobody would be trying to run this wind farms down our throats. We still can if our leaders will step up to the plate this will be the only way to get those wind farms down the road. I'll just about bet any large electric company would split their profits for the free fuel just make a few calls and watch them beat the doors down trying to get offer on paper. And by the way methane gas is the gas for the job.
Hi Ray hope your feeling better. I brought this up a while back as well. Everyone seems to be just happy just getting a check when we have the resources to build and the ability to expand.
How weird is this? The new BIA Superintendant said during today's Minerals meeting that she does not work for us. If you are in a Trust relationship with a fiduciary obigation to a particular party you certainly do work for that party. Does the BIA not even undertand the fundmentals of our relationship with one another? WOAH! This matter could not be more serious. We DON'T work with the BIA. They work for us and every other Tribe that they have a fiduciary relationship with in Indian Country.
I believe the name of the BIA Superintendant is Robin Phillips. The meeting is in Executive Session and they will be back afterward. I'd like a clarification on this point too.
The Bureau of Indian Affairs is a rarity among Federal agencies. With roots reaching back to the Continental Congress, the BIA is almost as old as the United States itself. As Federal policy has changed from notions of subjugating and assimilating American Indians and Alaska Natives, so the BIA’s mission has changed as well. Its role now is as a partner with tribes to help them achieve their goals for self-determination while also maintaining its responsibilities under the Federal-Tribal trust and government-to-government relationships. Hope this helps. In fact they do work for us. This taken from the BIA Gov. site. Back in the inception of the BIA in 1824 were basically a liason between the Tribes for communication purposes. Dispute this by getting a New Superintendent.
Let's try this on for size: Looking at this article, published in August of 2014, "Italy May Sell $7 Billion in Eni, Enel Stakes to Cut Debt" at http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-08-28/italy-may-sell-7-billion-in-eni-enel-stakes-to-cut-debt? What this suggests is that the major and controlling owner of Enel S.P.A. Green Power of Rome, Italy that is also the owner of the Wind Farm/s in Osage County is the government of Italy itself via its treasury investment holdings in this company. Now, the U.S. Congress has a fiduciary obligation per the Mineral Estate Trust to the Osage Nation government and the Headright owners, and they regulate commerce with Foreign governments and the companies those governments own who are doing business in the U.S. Isn't allowing this Italian government owned company to conduct a wind farm business/es on Trust land where the mineral rights are reserved to the Osage Nation which will negatively effect the income to the Headright owners also protected by the fiduciary obligation owned by the U.S. Congress, in short, isn't this yet again another violation of the fiduciary obligation and breach of the Trust relationship owed to the Osages on the part of the Federal government by allowing this Italian government owned and controlled company to build wind farms on land where the mineral rights are owned by and reserved to the Osage Nation? Shouldn't there be a lawful prohibition against this kind of thing? The BIA should be there along with the U.S. Congress to protect our business interests against those who harm our ability to work with the oil producers to bring the minerals out of the ground in Osage County. Yes?
See also, "The deal was transformational, turning Enel into a major European player overnight. But it also saddled it with mountains of debt and when the economic crisis hit home the utility was forced to cut dividends. Enel shares have fallen some 33 percent since 2005." http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/08/eni-government-appointments-idUKL5N0MW23X20140408 and "Mr. Scaroni’s chances of a fourth term may also have been reduced when he received a suspended three-year prison term in March in connection with environmental violations at a unit of Enel a decade earlier." at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/business/international/italy-nominates-veteran-as-chief-of-eni.html
This argument is quite the reach. While the subsurface mineral estate is held in trust for Osage Tribe, the Osage Nation has no claim whatsoever to the land in question. Also, there is no evidence to suggest that wind farms will meaningfully diminish the future income from the mineral estate.
As to the oil producers, you should pay close attention to statements they make before the Minerals Council. One recently stated the company was having difficulty attracting investors due to its recently drilled wells being non-productive, resulting in operating losses. He then tried to blame the whole of his problems on the Donelson case.
The BIA's failure to comply with the National Environmental Protection Act (NEPA), and potential future costs of compliance, together present far greater threat to diminished future income from the mineral estate than the wind farms ever will.
Piffle! If you listen to Raymond Red Corn's reasoning as AP Chief for getting involved in the wind farm litigation, those concrete pads, by regulation, have to have additional clearance above and beyond the actual size of the pads themselves that will interfere with putting in a drilling rig. Substantially, this is an electrical field full of electrical wind machines that you are talking about trying to hopscotch in and around and there must be additional clearance for the drilling of wells by law as well. In short, not enough room for both wind machines and oil rigs. Would you want to be punching holes in an electrical field with oil and gas coming out of the ground that could catch on fire or explode? Think about the practical logistics of what you are suggesting. The Osage Nation is now the Federal Court of Claims acknowledged legal survivor to the Osage Tribe that has been replaced by the new Osage Constitutional government. If you read the above listed articles, it suggests that this ENEL parent company is saddled with mountains of debt that it has to service and the Italian government is well known for being financially unstable where the European Union is concerned. If it's dropping shares into the billions of dollars to raise money to pay government debt, this could keep going as it will have to continue to liquidate assets in the future. What this suggests is that Enel is also unstable as a viable company if its share prices on the European stock exchange are dropping and continue to drop. This means Enel could begin a sell off of internationally owned assets including those in the USA to service company debt as well. If this happens, worse case, and no buyer can be found with no money in the future available to keep that wind farm/s going they could fold and you would have all that infrastructure out there sitting dormant with no way to drill oil and gas or generate electricity for that matter either. If you know anything about the continually unstable financial history of the Italian government and the way Italian companies do business, you would know what is at risk and the United States government must, as a result of its fiduciary Trust obligations, at the Federal level, protect our interest against such financially unstable governments and their state owned and controlled businesses.
Not only does this subject tan my hide, the hole concept of WIND FARMS (green energy)was born on a inconvenient lie or truth based on a lie and a proven fact. Lies and a tax on the Americans. People do the diligence. The U.S Gov. is running out of ways to Tax you, look at Obama care another example. Just another lie. But back to this subject, the DOI has the integrity and is dually authorized to protect the M.E from harm to the TRUST period and OSAGEBLOOGER well said. This is a threat to our Sovereignty. Once again we will go to the Courts with appeals and if not all the way to Supreme Court. By this time the GOV. Tax subsidy program will have ended and as a result this co. will be deflated and by the looks of it heading this way as we speak.
It's about time that you get up to speed and pull your head out of the sand. There are a number of extremely important factors that are causing instability in Osage County where the oil producers are concerned: The Donalson lawsuit. EPA regulations that are not fully understood by the oil producers with new leases going forward. High to prohibitive banking loan risk as a result of the unstable conditions in Osage County. Land owners locking out the oil producers and threatening to call Gentner Drrummond if the oil producers enter the property. New CFRs with additional regulations coming from the BLM to be managed by the BIA whose representative can't manage to attend the 24 yearly scheduled Mineral Council meetings that do nothing but send out letters and do not defend the interests of the oil producers legally with Court ordered cease and desist or restraining orders to stop the oil producers from being locked out. The perception that is growing that the Osage government and certain members of the Minerals Council do not really care about the business interests of the oil producers or their difficulties at this point in time and going forward into the future.
Add to that, BIA Superintendents who, for the last ten years, haven't been able to manage to enforce ONE single pertinent EPA regulation, never mind all of those associated with the BLM.
This Italian government sell-off of ENEL stock has been going on for a while: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a_oBSG.9bNwQ http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/investors-cautious-on-enels-green-power-i-p-o/
This is really funny!... See Investors (of ENEL) advised to reject Italy's corporate ethics clause at http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/21/us-italy-governance-idUSBREA4K0R720140521
If it can happen there, it can happen here in the U.S.: "Enel plans to sell its Romanian power distribution and sales assets this year." See http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/16/ukraine-crisis-gazprom-romania-idUSL6N0RH1E920140916?type=companyNews
Follow the wind farms ownership saga at https://www.planning.org/news/daily/story/?story_id=id:JkvvNrzJinmhJtqKkhAvhIxtcl6Fg3r5Gh1Tjd74q5dMOnt4-GLwOVUtE21-xeIB
A WORD TO THE WISE: Osage News Facebook web page: U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor met with Oklahoma's tribal leaders Sept. 11. Osage Nation Principal Chief Geoffrey Standing Bear was among them. "Justice Sotomayor greatly impressed me with her intellect and insightfulness," Standing Bear said. "All the Tribal leaders present appreciated her frankness as to the present views of the U.S. Supreme Court on Native Nation sovereignty. She cautioned us on the dangers of adverse decisions against the Tribes under the present Court." READ THIS LAST PARAGRAPH THREE TIMES AND THANK YOU OSAGE NEWS FOR PRINTING THIS INFORMATION.
Will wonders never cease!! My nephew said he got a check today!
I'll let you know if I get one. Oh but I have to be careful. My "aggressive" dog scares the mailman!! All 15 lbs of her......from inside......behind the screen door.....with a wire grate over the screen......oh and she barked.
My cat scared one a few yrs ago....by looking thru the same screen door......No, she didn't bark
Is it true that the MC voted to fire the office staff? I heard this was spearheaded by Red Corn with no mention on just exactly who was going to pick up the load.
The MC should work through the superintendent's office for office help, they have no skills in employee relations. They are there to insure the shareholders interests are represented by the BIA. As you can see hiring and firing employees should not be on their plate.
I totally agree with your statement referring to the MC " They have no skills in employee relations " This has been evident time and time again from several of them! Another thing I agree on ,is that " Hiring and firing employees should not be on their plate" We have also seen people being hired that were : Good ole buddies " of certain MC members. Unless this is taken out of the MC hands, I look for it to happen all over again.
would anybody care to list how the vote went on firing the office staff? I can kind of guess on about three of them but would like to know who voted which way.
Goodie! Get rid of the eye candy and hire professional office staff who dress appropriately and behave with the highest business and personal standards.
Called the OST call center and anyone who is considered non-competent is also considered a restricted Osage with a restricted account. Cobell checks are supposed to be direct deposited into the IIM accounts for restricted Osages but Cobell has not yet made such a deposit payment of settlement funds to my IIM accounts as of today. Is anyone hearing differently? Has anyone received a Cobell check deposited into their IIM account?
bank owned by the Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes of Montana saw a steady stream of customers on Thursday. Some $647,000 was deposited or cashed by about 500 people in just several hours, KLXF reported. "We had a houseful of people cashing checks yesterday," Eagle Bank president Martin Olson told KXLF. Beneficiaries in Anadarko, Oklahoma, started lining up at a convenience store early Thursday morning. The Step-N-Fetchum was charging a 5 percent fee to cash checks, according to a local resident, and eventually ran out of money, the person said on Facebook. Why did u get hold on your check no body else did???
Remember, today is the presentation for the Pawhuska Arbor during the Cultural Committee Meeting at 1:00 p.m. See https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/content_link/VwnpYEBJ6iUyU5dtSNDanl1KuMzNVEzK0KmjVwlk8ko1NyH5Xo0DUTU6lxouooxg?dl=1 and http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/multimedia/live-media
$2.5 million, my foot! They reduce the budget for the Burial Assistance Fund and add a million dollars to the price of the new Grayhorse Arbor built a year ago. Shame on you Arbor Committee and your metal building, Mr. Cass. For that price it should be gold plated!
A concession stand and restaurant?!!!? These dances are a religious ceremony, not a baseball game!!!!!!!! $17.30 per each dancer? Nonsense!!!!!!!! What kinda Bullcrap is this? This is not in keeping!!!!!!!!!!!
Your million and a half bucks for our healh card went right into this metal building folks. No doubt about it. Why when big construction projects are around and up for funding is Eddy RedEagle is lurking around? Running up the construction costs always seems to happen when they see him coming.
They amended the bill down from $2.5 million to $2.4. There was discussion about the tradition of the benches being paid for by the families. If the Nation pays for them then they should belong to all of the Osage people and not be able to be reserved to a particular family. In other wards, open seating for everyone who attends the dances in Pawhuska. Dr. Shaw said the concession stand was an add on. I took this to mean an option or bell and whistle that is not essential to the project. Good! Get rid of it. Unless you're going to give concession items away for free, it's a clear cut case of "money changers in the temple" so to speak.
Benches have been paid for by families for years and yes it is a tradition. Many have their family name on theirs including our family. We are proud to have a bench and proud to have our name on it so people will know where our Osage family sits and you can find us in the same spot each year and we can find other families. This insures that we will have a place to sit no matter when we get there. if this is going to stop then it is something we bought and paid for that the Osage Nation would take away from us. As far as concessions...there are already a number of concessions selling everything from fry bread to pop and have been doing so for years and IMO hasn't taken away from the meaning of the dances.
That is great. Yrea a realtive of mine is having GCG research where his check is at. And still waiting for another check in the case of a realtive who was on the unknown list. Thats a work in progress and I will be calling GCG today.
just got my cobell money in direct deposet here in sand springs. was less than I was told, but i'm glad to get it. hope everybody saves most of their money. just sit on it till we see what happens in court...... next year may be very different.
Ok, so how does one get direct deposit. Most of my family had received their settlement by check where as one of my family members got a direct deposit with chase? Go figure, because most of the family has diect deposit. How do they choose GCG?
Ray, good to see you back at the 'Keyboard'! I hope this reply finds you on the mend. I've enjoyed your postings here & ' Need-To-Know'. They have helped educate someone who has not been in the oil business. My thanks, graditude, and prayers go to Eloise Cobell for her hard work. With that said, I spoke to Garden City Group today, after a few burps from the customer service, I spoke to one of their 'Project Managers'.I was told my settlement was direct deposited in my IIM account. I asked the project manager would I be receiving the settlement breakdown under seperate cover?
I was told there will not be a breakdown for each settlement or ANY settlement and to her knowledge no audit of proceeds, just the general explaination on their website. I called OST and they confirmed the deposit but said OST would not issue any settlement statement. It seems to me, the spirit and intent of this Law Suit was correcting mismanagement of funds and accountability. From my first contact with Garden City Group in Novrmber 2012 until now, the actual deposit was $ 5,000 less than the original estimate.I understand the term 'Estimate'. Can anyone tell me was there interest paid or what the rate was? $ 1.94 billion at 3% interest for just one year, equals the amount that the ' SCHOLARSHIP FUND' is to receive. I wonder if the interest could be added to the scholarship fund? Can anyone explain who was charged with Garden City Groups expenses? Will DOI, BIA or the DOJ be auditing where the settlement funds actually went? I read in the news, the Osage Principal Chief issued a 'Executive Directive No 14-18' on how we ship our packages! Do you think he is on top of this, requesting a statement of accountability from anybody? Tonight as we go to sleep, ask yourself, did we get a fair shake as Mrs. Cobell worked so hard for ? Or do we accept a quick direct deposit not knowing what or who managed this settlement, after all, wasn't this case all about mismanagement and accountability?
I'd like to say, the issue with Redskins, and the boycott of FedEx over a football team is stupid and political. I like the W. Redskins. Go Redskins!!! I think the chief belittles us Osage over this......Too small potato for us to get into. We have enough on our plate to deal with anyway.
I have looked through out the Osage Nation web site and can't find any listings for the congress members. How do you contact Congress or and individual congress member?
good read at Ray's web site. Osages -You-Need-To-Know about Devon Oil. so far good news for the time being.
ReplyDeleteThank you. Yes it is but those three wells and the rest of the the M.E will suffer, this is not over yet..
DeleteRay McClain is reported to be ill. Please be sure to keep him in your prayers. He works hard for the benefit of all of the Shareholders and we need more Osages to follow his outstanding example.
DeleteNot Ray Ray thats what I call him because he is a ray of sun for the Shareholder's please get well. Your in our thoughts.
DeleteI think Ray goes in for surgery the 25 th of this month. He will need all our prayers. God bless you Ray.
DeleteHere here! Thank you all for the supportive comments for Ray McClain.
DeleteMany, many thanks to all of you. This makes it all worthwhile.
DeletePraying for you Ray. My husband is just 50 and has stage 4b pancreatic cancer. Anytime our loved ones are sick it is scary. I hope it is not too serious and that you are back better than ever soon!
DeleteGoodness, we will pray for you and your family during this difficult time...life is not perfect its what we do in our time will be our legacy. We have one life and just one chance to get it right...and illness does not discriminate. Living is what we all should be doing and working to make others happy and not just ourselves..my prayers to you and your family...my problems pale to yours and makes me appreciate not that I don't but more so...thank you for sharing your sadness.
DeleteUrgent!!!!! Regarding the Cobell Settlement Checks received this week.
DeleteMembers of our family with equal headright shares received settlement amounts that are different from one another some by as much as $1000 what is the basis for payments?
I am pretty sure Ray McClain's operation was today? Probably to soon to pay a visit and was wondering if any one has heard how he is doing?
ReplyDeletesurgery was postponed because of heart problems. chem stress test tomorrow 8;30 am. 3 hr test.
DeleteWow, what a long test. Good luck their buddy.
DeleteJust read an updated article on Ray McClains Osages-you-need-to-know.com, not good news to say the least. If the BIA handbook says we are compliant and the processes are in place, where as, one can assume these protocols did not occur because surely if they had been met, we would not be here in the very spot we are in today?.That beiing said, did the Donalson inform the M.C the nature of the problem 10 years ago? And once agian why have the CFR'S being delayed for approval and who is behind the delay? It's costing the Shareholder's a pretty penny to flair the Natural Gas and so much more. It shouldn't take 2 years to approve the long over due CFR'S. And most importantly has there been an injunction filed against the Donalson Suit? At the end of the day we have just as much right to know how when and what and where, what is being done concerning this matter of importance M.C. Mr Waller. This is a matter of open records. Not just that, we know what lies ahead but lets not make it tens years down the road...Restitution will be levied heavily against the BIA for not handling this matter diligently and now we need damage control while you sit there and say nothing on the matter and your being paid by us and should be keeping us informed.
ReplyDeleteA probable place to look for some of the delays would be to some of the members of our own MC2 that went to Washington with the producersto protest the proposed CFR's instead of looking into why some of the regulations were not being enforced and helping to correct the situation!!
DeleteThe landowners can probably lock their gates and demand entry agreements from producers. I doubt if any agreements were legally filed by most producers.
DeleteTo poster @ 1:37 am wow your up late...not after the agreement is signed when they purchase their land we have the right of way..that includes the producer. To poster at 7:24...there shouldn't be a delay. This was part of the settlement agreement. what we should be asking is why at the Administration level is the approval taking so long? The damage and cause and effect most importantly, all of you should be concerned...we are losing fist over dollars. Once again we are on the back burner as to do what is right should have happened yesterday. TO NOT HERE FROM YOUR COUNCIL ON ANY OF THESE PRESSING MATTERS IS SERIOUSLY DISCONCERTING.
DeleteI heard that a thing like this happened down in Texas where landowners locked out Tribe's oil producers and the oil producers sued and won and it cost the landowner's their properties due to damages to the oil producer's businesses. Not a good idea to follow Drummond's advice for any kind of oil producer lockout in Osage County.
DeleteI heard - what tribe in Texas? The Drummond's are legally correct-unless the producer can show an ingress-egress agreement where the surface owner was compensated for damages, he has no right to be on the land. If the land changes owner with no deed restriction ??? The Osage Nation, BIA and the Producers are misleading everyone.
DeleteSo not true.
DeleteBesides the fact her mother was paid 75,000 dollars lets not forget.
DeleteAnd once you build the producer has every right to be on the land...
DeleteI agree. Drummond has no right to be on the land or giving out stupid advice that could cause those who follow him to lose everything theyve got put by and their property too.
DeleteRight. Its pretty black and white and clear where the BIA stands on this issue after reading the BIA handbook. Or for whatever issue may exisit, doesn't I don't know but I'm surmising. This women may be being used, non the less, when you look at this isssue you have to be engaged and see the fine print here...I know how this will end to predictable. From time to time issues do arise and everything in its due time...but the consequence and someone will pay for the damage and it's not going to pennies on the dollar to the Shareholders.
DeleteTests show nothing wrong with Ray McClain's heart. Thank God!!
ReplyDeleteGo Ray! This is happy news.
DeleteThanks for the report on Ray. I talked to him yesterday before he had heard anything and I know he is anxious to get the surgery over with. Good news about his heart now we have to sweat out the surgery and continue to pray for a successful operation and recovery.
DeleteGo Ray, we are pullin for ya.
DeleteMaybe your MC and Nation can find another way to waste your money.
ReplyDeletehttp://barnsdalltimes.com/http:/barnsdalltimes.com/news/two-wind-suits-tossed
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers". then our elected officials.
This is just unbelievable, you could cut the bias from the Judge with a knife and serve it on a platter. Oh yes we are appealing. But most importantly, what is our M.C opinion of which they seem to be cowardly not responding to the Donalson case, now the wind farm. We pay them folks and we want accountability and transparency if MR. Waller wants to take the 5th then we will ask for a new Speaker. End.
Delete“I don’t believe in wasting my time reading something then listening to something,” he (Ottawa County District Court Judge Robert G. Haney) said Thursday. What the hell does he have to do that's so pressing? Go fishing? Why is this happening in Ottawa County anyway? This is an Osage County legal matter front and center. Can we file for Judicial misconduct on a dereliction of duty situation like this one? Wow! What kind of Judges do you have in the State of Oklahoma? "Andy of Mayberry" Justices should command more respect and have more legal dignity than the ones you have sitting on the bench. This is so nutty I can hardly believe what I read on the page.
DeleteI am as shocked as you are. Call the BAR...report him. His opinion on this matter reflects bad ethics on his part to rule in the manner that he did...and right, why was this not held in OSAGE COUNTY?
Delete.The hearing was held in the county courthouse in Pawhuska. Judge Kane recused himself because he has himself, leased property to the wind farm people. Haney was called in to replace Kane for this issue. It’s still a stacked deck, but it was done properly, I think. It
DeleteWould someone explain or point me to information on what Donelson and Friend stand to gain by their lawsuit? If they are Osage shareholders then if oil production decreases because of their lawsuit, then they are hurting themselves with a lower headlight payment. Given that the other shareholders would suffer as well and focus their wrath on them, then there must be something that they feel makes it worthwhile. I doubt they are doing it for the environments sake. If they are being backed by someone else like Ted Turner, what does Ted have to gain?
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Donelson is an Osage, and a shareholder, and owns a 2,000 acre ranch at Burbank. Friend is not Osage, not a shareholder, and owns land SW of Hominy. Turner is a wealthy tree hugger who has purchased the old Duncan ranch west of Hominy. He raises buffalo. Gentner Drummond is a wealthy attorney and rancher who has inherited and purchased thousands of acres in Osage county.
If the Osage trust could be broken, the mineral rights to all of this Osage county land would likely revert to the surface owners. This is the motive for the Donalson action. All 4 of them would benefit immensely. The Donalson share of headright income would pale in the light of the 20% royalty income potential for 2,000 acres of prime Osage oil country. Ted Turner is a green activist out front, but he has already leased thousands of acres to drillers in New Mexico and other places. However, we don’t know for sure if he is involved or not, yet.
All four of them are driven by greed. If Martha Donelson owned the mineral rights under her property, she would probably not mind a well right on her front porch, if that’s where the oil was. If their suit should be successful, you can bet that oil production would certainly not decrease then. But it will be far too late fpr the Osage shareholders.
Thank you for the information. I always thought greed was involved but now I know to what extent.
DeleteIt may be time. The land was bought with a riveter clause of 25 years which was delayed several times. They may get congress to honor the original intent of the 1906 Act.
DeleteNot so. The 1978 Act to amend the 1938 Act that amended the 1906 Allotment Act of the U.S. Congress has reserved, to the Osage tribe, the mineral rights into perpetuity. This means for as long as the sun shall rise and the rivers go down in the sea, in other words, forever. This is a United States Federal law and this provision will outlast any trust or trust relationship that the Federal government has with the Osages or any form of government that it may have at any particular point in time. As long, of course, as the United States of America exists as a sovereign country in the world.
DeleteThank you Osageblogger. Enough of the fear mongering. If you did the diligence you would understand this.
DeleteAnd the seeds of the tall prairie blue stem grass were spread by floods, water, wind dust and buffalo patties. So, were the idea's of the landowners getting more for damages from roads, holding ponds, pad sites ect. & ect . No, it was nothing new when Grandpa E.E. Beach many times had his driver take him over to Joe Donalson place or to Bert Cobly place to talk about getting a little more damage relief. Did it happen , yes in a small amount the Osage Landowners Protective Association, did this in a way in the early 1950's. You can still find documents at the Honorable Robert Kerr library at Norman Ok. to contest to those facts. H
Delete"...she wouldn't mind a well on her front porch..." You got that right. A lot of Osage folks have no use for those greed driven Donalsons and that goes way back.
DeleteI was emailed the Sept. Mineral Council newsletter once and then another revised one but I could not open either successfully. Anyone else having problems or is it just ME?
ReplyDeleteNo. I got it fine. This issue has phone numbers for all of the MC members to keep on file.
DeleteWhen did you get your September newsletter?
DeleteGuess I will have to wait until the hard copy arrives in the mail. Thanks
DeleteSorry. Busy weekend. The M/C Newsletter arrived by email on August 28, 2014.
DeleteMore on the lawsuit's impact at http://barnsdalltimes.com/http:/barnsdalltimes.com/news/suit-sparks-oilfield-rule-change
ReplyDeleteGood read curious as to why no one has followed suit by reading these changes, or as I see long over due changes. Most importantly what brought about these changes? Doesn't it list the regulations in the BIA Operational Handbook?
DeleteThis taken from the BIA handbook was a regulation by the APD process, was it overlooked by the BIA? " Determines whether the drilling constitutes a significant environmental impact. The actual environmental documentation is created by Agency or Regional Offices or may be provided by a prospective lessee. In many lease situations, a categorical exclusion may be appropriate because detailed NEPA documentation is determined by the site specific environmental requirements within an APD application."
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HUGE NEWS! Osage language classes online are soon to begin! See Osage language classes online registration at https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZQKJF5Q
ReplyDelete4th Osage Nation Congress convenes Tzi-Zho Session at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/events/4th-osage-nation-congress-convenes-tzi-zho-session
ReplyDeleteThe Fall Osage County Language Class Schedule is available at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are-language-department/class-information
DeleteOn demand audio via the internet for the opening day of the new Congressional Session is available at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/sessions
DeleteWhat does the heck does the Chief mean by a welfare state? No per-cap past the crumbs they throw to the majority of us from the lavish banquet table they gorge themselves on day in and day out. So the Congress is only going to work during this Official 24 Day Regular session as a total group on Monday, Wednesday and Fridays when in full session for the next ten days? WTH? That's roughly only 15 days to transact the people's business as a whole Congress out of 24 total days with weekends off!!!!!!!!! Why not just come in one day a week you lazy worthless louts!!!!!!!!! Recommendations so that not a full year of full appropriations for Fall, Spring and Summer where the educational scholarships for students getting a higher education goes???? Does this stink to high heaven or what? And another new government bureaucratic division of Governmental Operations for the Executive Branch? Give us a break!!!!!!!!!!! AK Chief GSB spearheading the $2.5 million for the Pawhuska Arbor and what will the cost overruns be on this? You have to listen to one bill after the other for thousands and millions being spent hand over fist. WOAH! Does any of this spending benefit most of us Geoffrey Standing Bear? Is Edwards backing away from the Seniors having the higher amount appropriated for them on the Osage Health Card? No open meetings notice for official Congressional meetings or small groups of members of Congress? What is this Buffalohead and capturing all of the proceeds of $10 million to impoverish the gaming enterprise of funds they need to operate and function properly? What in hell is going on here? Things look like they are seriously deteriorating on the very F I R S T day the 4th Congress's first Regular Session.
DeleteThe Congressional Health and Social Services Committee will be hearing the Edwards Bill ONCA 14-78 on the Osage Health Card.
DeleteThe Osage Nation Congrssional Committee List FY2014-2015 is available at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/legislation
DeleteCobell update!!! Checks will commence in 3 weeks providing the Judge approves final account.
ReplyDeleteGalen you are so dense. Wickstrom is objecting to the fact that the BLM regulations are going to be adopted under the new CFRs, period; no matter who sees to their implementation be that BIA or EPA or Rudy's Goose! Sheesh, man. See the forest for the trees, will you? This is a thicket of regulations and the EPA wants in too? What's this Federal Register deal about the EPA wanting to regulate in Osage County too mentioned in the meeting? When are you MC people going to get that Waller guy to stop interrupting everyone all the time? Joan Rivers was funny. Everett Waller is not.!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteWhen are they going to get it? You need to listen to Part II of the meeting and the comments of former Councilman Bob Martin on the Drummond filed lawsuit.
ReplyDeleteThe Producer EA requirements they are talking about are found at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/production-information
ReplyDeletehttp://osagenews.org/en/article/2014/09/05/village-embezzlement-and-open-records-cases-going-trial/ Finally!
ReplyDeleteI couldn't agree more. Where did the money disappear and why are there no records? And were their bank records, the five man board, subpoenaed? And why was a Audit not performed by the Osage Nation OFPR sooner like weekly by weekly, and monthly? Logically, in this day and age this should have not occurred in the first place had these policies been enforced. Screams incompetence all over the place. In the end let the punishment from stealing from your own people fit the crime of banishment and take away their status. Let this be a lesson by example, of what can happen in the future.
DeleteOsage blogger posted "The 1978 Act to amend the 1938 Act that amended the 1906 Allotment Act of the U.S. Congress has reserved, to the Osage tribe, the mineral rights into perpetuity." This is probably unconstitutional since a good deal of the Mineral Rights didn't belong to Osages and the surface property changed hands with as an ownership right. If challenged in court the rights would probably go back to the land owners as was the origional intent of the 1906 Act. You better hope the Drummonds don't do this.
ReplyDeleteWrong again! The mineral rights ran with the Cherokee Trustees Deed for the purchase of the Osage Reservation by the Osage Tribe of Indians that was the sole real estate owner not the individual Osages alive at the time on June 14, 1883. What most Osages today don't seem to know is that the purchase of the Osage Reservation was a real estate property sale from the Cherokee Tribe; the seller to the Osage Tribe; the buyer. The 1906 Allotment Act reserved the mineral rights to the Osage Tribe; the legal owner of the land at the time for a period of 25 years. There were a number of extensions to amend that time period in the 1906 Act in various subsequent Acts of the U.S. Congress, which holds the Plenary Power over all Native American Tribes located within the borders of the USA, to amend the 1906 Act and the last one on this issue was the 1978 Act provision to amend the reservation of the mineral rights to the Osage Tribe into perpetuity. These are all Federal Acts signed into law by the President of the United States that supersede and trump State laws and Tribal laws and they will prevail.
DeleteRight Osageblogger. Wish people would study their culture. They would know this if they did.
DeleteThe case can be made that the shareholders don't own the mineral right the U. S. government does.
DeleteReview the ownership under a trust and you will find out that this involves title and how it is held not the benefits of ownership where the beneficiaries are concerned. The U.S. Congress can release the legal title to the mineral rights they hold under the Cherokee Trustees Deed of 1883 by issuing a new deed to the Osage Nation at any time they wish under the pertinent provision of the 1978 Act "...until otherwise provided by Congress". There never has been a deed of conveyance issued by the Feds where the mineral rights are concerned so they are still tied to the original Cherokee Trustees Deed for the purchase of the Osage Reservation. That's why this Trustee's Deed has protected the Federal Reservation status in Osage County because it's still tied to that deed that created the Reservation status to begin with that the Federal Courts seem to be so shamefully ignorant of today. The land was separated from the deed in the 1906 Allotment Act. The mineral rights never have been separated from the deed since 1883. Let's hope that doesn't happen anytime soon or the Osage Nation will have to stand to against a whole lot more of the same as what we are seeing going on today.
DeleteThe Cherokee Trustee's Deed of 1883 for the purchase of the Osage Reservation specifically states verbatim "...between the Cherokee Nation...and the United States of America, in trust for the use and benefit of the Osage and Kansas Indians..." The Kaw (Kansa or Kansas) Indians subsequently purchased a portion from the Osages of the land set aside for their Reservation in Kay County. The 1906 Allotment Act clarifies by Federal law that the mineral rights are reserved to the Osage Tribe of Indians. As I understand it, the legal entity that survives today is the Osage Nation because it took over equitable title to the mineral rights tied to the Cherokee Trustee's Deed that were reserved by the 1906 Allotment Act to the Osage Tribe (Sec. 3. "That the oil, gas, coal, or other minerals covered by the lands for the selection and division of which provision is herein made are hereby reserved to the Osage tribe...") which were transferred when the 2006 Osage Nation Constitution was ratified.
DeleteThank you Osageblogger for taking the incredible time and effort to explain this.
DeleteYou're welcome. It's important to understand that there are two Federal Osage Mineral Estate Trusts. The first is the land trust created by the Cherokee Trustee's Deed for the purchase of the Osage Reservation where the mineral rights are concerned and the second is the minerals income trust created by the 1906 Allotment Act for the benefit of the Headright owners.
DeleteAnd now this from The Journal Record this morning:
ReplyDelete"Buyer beware: Lease sale set despite uncertainty"
"For the second time in six months, the Osage Minerals Council is sponsoring an oil and gas lease sale, and Vice Chairman Talee Redcorn wants even more auctions."
CRIMEiny! Caveat emptor now? What new mess is this that the Shareholders have to deal with because you refused to see reason or pay attention to what you should have been doing all along together with the BIA? Galen? Andrew? Sonny Boy? Cynthia warned you time and again and you wouldn't listen to her or anyone other than yourselves. Nymex my foot! Greed driven total screw ups the lot of you! You new Osage government people who have lead us into this OK Corral should be taken out and...
The wiz kids you just mentioned don't realize the dynamics of the oil patch will be changed for ever when nymex is put in place. Will we have to pay for transportation for our part of the oil. If we do, nymex price increase might cover that cost. What about that Galen
DeleteRead the document, long read. Screams who the owners are of the M.E and NEPA reqiurments throughout the Document and who is to enforce them, The BIA and the DOI. Very detailed to say the least. Thank you Osageblogger for posting this revelent document. I recommend everyone should take an hour to read this. Question, laid out the deffintions or objectives have not been promulgated? You couldn't operate otherwise without following the standard as it realates to the CFR'S as well.
ReplyDelete"We are being judged, not just by how smart we are, or by our training and expertise, but also by how well we handle ourselves and others." -Daniel Goleman on Emotional Intelligence
ReplyDeleteThis is a quote at the bottom of an e-mail sent from Jacquelin Boulanger, Osage Nation Legislative Branch, Adminstrative Services Support. I think it's wonderful. How well are the members of the Executive Branch and the Congress handling themselves where a fair and equitable distribution of benefits associated with Tribal funding goes to 85% of the members of the Osage Nation? Since we will never see a poll requesting this kind of information from the Osage News, type 1 for thumbs up or 2 for thumbs down. Thank you.
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Delete2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2 for every year of the Const. government. At least if we had the tribal council our families would have benefitted from other generous family members. Dismal record of sharing with us who now have a right to expect fair treatment. It's a fraud really the way they keep it all for themselves.
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DeleteAs it happened today: the Health and Social Services Congressional Committee amended the Osage Health Card bill, ONCA 14-78, upward from $5 million to $7.9 million for all of the Osage people. Voting in favor of this amendment were Congresspersons Jech, Pratt and Mason. Congresswoman Edwards was in the Committee meeting to put forward the amendment to raise the amount of the bill $2.9 million. OUTSTANDING! IMPRESSIVE AND EXCEEDINGLY WELL DONE on the part of four of our members of the Osage Nation Congress. You earned your pay today for the benefit of all Osages no matter where they reside in the world. WONDERFUL AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
DeleteToday I change my vote from a "2" to "1" in a big way for A THUMBS WAY WAY UP!
This is good news, but give a vote and most would prefer a desire to spend that money eleswhere, like to bills, food, well I'm in good health but that is because i am pro active and given the fact coupled with IHS and the affordable care act gives you the opportunity to have great coverage when it comes to prescriptions and so forth. Lets put a vote on that.
DeleteTheres still a lot of creeps in that congress who will vote against that bill when it comes up for a vote on the floor of the congress. Chief could also veto it if the congress votes to pass it. You got a long way to go here and I wouldnt hold your your breath. These folks are Osage County centric and they want it all. I heard the committee chair Shaw and Norris vote against the amendent and I didn't hear Maker vote today. He must be out with a hangover again. AP Chief is in the meeting and doesnt have to be so this makes Maker look even worse. He's always out but is reported to go to every seminar and convention out of town that comes up. When are they going to begin drug and alcohol testing of the elected officials of the Osage Nation too?
DeleteStill, this IS progress in the right direction.
DeleteMaybe. That $5 million they hide in over budgeting every year is money out off your wallet in a percap of $275 a year. $18 million in Osage LLC losses is another thousand bucks you could have had in the last few years too and still they give that damn thing a Congressional vote of confidence. I have an idea. The Congress don't get a paycheck from the Nation until that Osage LLC stops losing money and shows a profit. Don't think they wouldn't vote to make it go away the very next day if that were ever to become the case. They are always so harsh with spending on 85% of us, they should see the same harshness themselves for Congressional negligence of the loss of $18 million of the Osage people's money.
DeleteWho do we have to see about that? That dead lazy AG? Two or three official legal actions with one resulting restitution slap on the wrist in how many years he's been getting benefits and a six figure salary from the Osage Nation.
DeleteFollow Benny's Tzi-Zho Blogs at http://osagenews.org/en/categories/blogs/
DeleteRule of thumb: "What was spent (of last year's budget) plus 5%," R.J. Walker? Trying to cut the gaming commission budget and then they added 5% to a portion of it? Did I understand this correctly in today's Government Ops Committee?
DeleteAh is that true?
DeleteONPD has 30 Sargents and 13 Patrol Officers when we had only one patrol officer in 2006 at the time of the vote on the Constitution? WOAH! When there are only 2,750 Osages who live in Osage County? Is that overkill or not? Between both budgets Federal and Tribal the amount is a grand total $1.3 million? That's incredible. How much are these people paid? With this much money flying around we have a right to know!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteWhat's all this reduced by last years budget crap I'm hearing on here? They just subtract what wasn't spent last year and then try to act like they are really reducing these budget amounts? Is that what these jokers are up to now?
DeleteThat AG is going to return $29,000 of just under $1.5 million!!!!! To do what? Find the most expensive outside legal council in the State of Okla? LMAO!!!!!! Appropriate money out of the minerals agency budget for legal fees not the Nation. BORROW the money from the Nation but don't co-mingle funds between Executive offfices and the minerals agency. $400,000 - $700,000 in four years into the future... plus the Donalson lawsuit comment from Galen Crum as guest speaker. Unintended consequences of all these lawsuits from Kugee. How can the AG predict how bad it may get until a judgment from a Court is issued. What are our chances of winning is a fair question.
Delete$200,000 for that stupid Super Board? Oh iPad Ray Ray you said the same thing about the Osage LLC when you said that what has been spent before will be all for naught if we don't keep throwing money at it. How well did that work for you and all of the Osage people $18 million later lost due to your foolishness and fiscal immaturity?
DeleteCutting funds to IT is cutting a direct service to the Osage people.
Delete$50 million appropriations with $44 max cap. Why do we even need this new government to run us right into the ground like this: http://osagenews.org/en/article/2014/09/10/congress-and-chiefs-come-together-meeting/
DeleteWhat a liar liar liar the Chief is!!!!!! ...that his office’s budget is trimmed to $1.9 million and is “the lowest amount ever in the new government since 2006, we believe that was a good accomplishment.” The budget for the Office of the Chiefs for 2007 was $737,613 according to ONCA 07-33 which was signed into law on April 23, 2007. Did he think we wouldn't go to the trouble to check?
DeleteWatch or listen live to the Session today and Committee Meetings scheduled to monitor Osage Congressional spending at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/multimedia/live-media
DeleteAn update on spending bills passed is located at https://www.facebook.com/OsageNews
DeleteDiscover the Potential at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/news/discover-potential
ReplyDeleteThe Osage Minerals Council Meeting Agenda for Friday, September 12, 2014 - 10:00am is available at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/events/3rd-osage-minerals-council-meeting-0
ReplyDeleteFinally! Judge approves motion to distribute Cobell settlement payment --->>> http://www.indianz.com/News/2014/015038.asp
ReplyDeleteNot one check has mail as of 10:45 et and restricted iim account will be starting Sep 22 or so GCG saying they are for what that's worth.!!! LOL
DeleteTks Anonymous for the information. My real concern was about direct deposit though
DeleteThe Mineral Council audio of the meeting is currently being broadcast live at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/multimedia/live-media
ReplyDeleteNew article on the Donalson/Friend lawsuit --->>> http://osagenews.org/en/article/2014/09/12/osage-leads-fight-against-oil-and-gas-drilling/
ReplyDeleteyoure kidding. go where to listen to meetings? this osage web site is the pits. we had it on for a while but the sound was so low for some speakers we gave up. now to find the recordings is beyond what we can do. we are in our 60s, cant they make it easier for us old folks.. they thro around 25 million like nothing and have the worst web site I have seen! wish we still had the old one.....
DeleteI "soundly" recommend the Soundfreaq product called Pocket Kick, no pun intended. This portable little sucker can play sound as loudly as you can stand it and it fits in your pocket. It's Bluetooth wireless or connects to computers, iPods, iPads or other like devices at the earphone/headphone jack outlet. I'm really impressed with it and my Mother who is now 98 years young can listen to these meetings like she was sitting right in the room. See http://www.soundfreaq.com/products/pocketkick
DeleteJust got off the phone with Albuquerque and just as i thought they don't have any money posting information for restricted iim accounts.also said there not aware that department of OST will be handled it.so you would think that after 2yrs working with doi and bia they could of had this step taking care of but no. I just can't believe the no competences or that nobody would ask this question.
ReplyDeleteI'm missing something, what was the question you were trying to ask about? Sorry but didn't understand what your question relates to?
DeleteRead a earlier post above. So let me see if I have it correctly, you are talking about Cobell and said monies in our restricted accounts. You're calling for a status update. From what I understand, no money if you have a current adress will be sent directly to your IMM if you don't have direct diposit set up already. The only money that will go directly into their IMM account will be those who are MIA. Thats how I understand it to be. Call GCG to verify.
DeleteThe incompetence is on the DOI, but then again it just goes to show you whats not happening at the DOI and it took GCG to clean up a mess that you would have thought after this lawsuit came to fruition the DOI would have been more diligent. And irs not entirely their fault as some of this rests on the BIA as well for not following through as well with better tracking, but if you don't put in a change of adress this is what happens, coupled with no one watching period how these probates are being processed ,of course this goes back in the day. What I dont understand is how could I be apart of this suit yet they, GCG wants copies of the will which was approved by a judge years ago. And their was no probate because we had a living will.
DeleteRestricted account are to be direct deposit in IIM Accounts with the cobell case. GCG Supervisor did say direct deposit start Sep 22
DeleteBut the office of OST doesn't have any information on the direct deposit as yet.
I know we will appeal. The same could be said about the wind farms. What gives them the sovereign right? None that I can see. What gives them the right to intrepidate? And this Judge has openly expressed his opinion publicly his bias should be removed and get a injunction to stop building til once said and done.
ReplyDeleteAnd or pay us a royalty.
ReplyDeleteAre you really so stupid as to think wind is a mineral?
ReplyDeleteWe should have built gas power plants for electric and we could have been making millions. And nobody would be trying to run this wind farms down our throats. We still can if our leaders will step up to the plate this will be the only way to get those wind farms down the road. I'll just about bet any large electric company would split their profits for the free fuel just make a few calls and watch them beat the doors down trying to get offer on paper. And by the way methane gas is the gas for the job.
ReplyDeleteYou are absolutely correct. It's time to get started, too.
ReplyDeleteHi Ray hope your feeling better. I brought this up a while back as well. Everyone seems to be just happy just getting a check when we have the resources to build and the ability to expand.
ReplyDeleteDitto Ray! Glad you're back.
ReplyDeleteHow weird is this? The new BIA Superintendant said during today's Minerals meeting that she does not work for us. If you are in a Trust relationship with a fiduciary obigation to a particular party you certainly do work for that party. Does the BIA not even undertand the fundmentals of our relationship with one another? WOAH! This matter could not be more serious. We DON'T work with the BIA. They work for us and every other Tribe that they have a fiduciary relationship with in Indian Country.
ReplyDeleteI believe the name of the BIA Superintendant is Robin Phillips. The meeting is in Executive Session and they will be back afterward. I'd like a clarification on this point too.
DeleteSee http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/multimedia/live-media
DeleteYes. the name is Robin Phillips, Superintendent. She gave a report at the meeting today.
DeleteThe Bureau of Indian Affairs is a rarity among Federal agencies. With roots reaching back to the Continental Congress, the BIA is almost as old as the United States itself. As Federal policy has changed from notions of subjugating and assimilating American Indians and Alaska Natives, so the BIA’s mission has changed as well. Its role now is as a partner with tribes to help them achieve their goals for self-determination while also maintaining its responsibilities under the Federal-Tribal trust and government-to-government relationships. Hope this helps. In fact they do work for us. This taken from the BIA Gov. site. Back in the inception of the BIA in 1824 were basically a liason between the Tribes for communication purposes. Dispute this by getting a New Superintendent.
DeleteHostile superintendent. A conflict of interest.
DeleteYea Ray! Good to have you back on Mineral matters and posting on the Osage Blog. I hope you're doing much better now and on the mend.
ReplyDeleteLet's try this on for size: Looking at this article, published in August of 2014, "Italy May Sell $7 Billion in Eni, Enel Stakes to Cut Debt" at http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-08-28/italy-may-sell-7-billion-in-eni-enel-stakes-to-cut-debt? What this suggests is that the major and controlling owner of Enel S.P.A. Green Power of Rome, Italy that is also the owner of the Wind Farm/s in Osage County is the government of Italy itself via its treasury investment holdings in this company. Now, the U.S. Congress has a fiduciary obligation per the Mineral Estate Trust to the Osage Nation government and the Headright owners, and they regulate commerce with Foreign governments and the companies those governments own who are doing business in the U.S. Isn't allowing this Italian government owned company to conduct a wind farm business/es on Trust land where the mineral rights are reserved to the Osage Nation which will negatively effect the income to the Headright owners also protected by the fiduciary obligation owned by the U.S. Congress, in short, isn't this yet again another violation of the fiduciary obligation and breach of the Trust relationship owed to the Osages on the part of the Federal government by allowing this Italian government owned and controlled company to build wind farms on land where the mineral rights are owned by and reserved to the Osage Nation? Shouldn't there be a lawful prohibition against this kind of thing? The BIA should be there along with the U.S. Congress to protect our business interests against those who harm our ability to work with the oil producers to bring the minerals out of the ground in Osage County. Yes?
ReplyDeleteSee also, "The deal was transformational, turning Enel into a major European player overnight. But it also saddled it with mountains of debt and when the economic crisis hit home the utility was forced to cut dividends. Enel shares have fallen some 33 percent since 2005." http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/04/08/eni-government-appointments-idUKL5N0MW23X20140408
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"Mr. Scaroni’s chances of a fourth term may also have been reduced when he received a suspended three-year prison term in March in connection with environmental violations at a unit of Enel a decade earlier." at http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/business/international/italy-nominates-veteran-as-chief-of-eni.html
This argument is quite the reach. While the subsurface mineral estate is held in trust for Osage Tribe, the Osage Nation has no claim whatsoever to the land in question. Also, there is no evidence to suggest that wind farms will meaningfully diminish the future income from the mineral estate.
DeleteAs to the oil producers, you should pay close attention to statements they make before the Minerals Council. One recently stated the company was having difficulty attracting investors due to its recently drilled wells being non-productive, resulting in operating losses. He then tried to blame the whole of his problems on the Donelson case.
The BIA's failure to comply with the National Environmental Protection Act (NEPA), and potential future costs of compliance, together present far greater threat to diminished future income from the mineral estate than the wind farms ever will.
Piffle! If you listen to Raymond Red Corn's reasoning as AP Chief for getting involved in the wind farm litigation, those concrete pads, by regulation, have to have additional clearance above and beyond the actual size of the pads themselves that will interfere with putting in a drilling rig. Substantially, this is an electrical field full of electrical wind machines that you are talking about trying to hopscotch in and around and there must be additional clearance for the drilling of wells by law as well. In short, not enough room for both wind machines and oil rigs. Would you want to be punching holes in an electrical field with oil and gas coming out of the ground that could catch on fire or explode? Think about the practical logistics of what you are suggesting. The Osage Nation is now the Federal Court of Claims acknowledged legal survivor to the Osage Tribe that has been replaced by the new Osage Constitutional government. If you read the above listed articles, it suggests that this ENEL parent company is saddled with mountains of debt that it has to service and the Italian government is well known for being financially unstable where the European Union is concerned. If it's dropping shares into the billions of dollars to raise money to pay government debt, this could keep going as it will have to continue to liquidate assets in the future. What this suggests is that Enel is also unstable as a viable company if its share prices on the European stock exchange are dropping and continue to drop. This means Enel could begin a sell off of internationally owned assets including those in the USA to service company debt as well. If this happens, worse case, and no buyer can be found with no money in the future available to keep that wind farm/s going they could fold and you would have all that infrastructure out there sitting dormant with no way to drill oil and gas or generate electricity for that matter either. If you know anything about the continually unstable financial history of the Italian government and the way Italian companies do business, you would know what is at risk and the United States government must, as a result of its fiduciary Trust obligations, at the Federal level, protect our interest against such financially unstable governments and their state owned and controlled businesses.
DeleteNot only does this subject tan my hide, the hole concept of WIND FARMS (green energy)was born on a inconvenient lie or truth based on a lie and a proven fact. Lies and a tax on the Americans. People do the diligence. The U.S Gov. is running out of ways to Tax you, look at Obama care another example. Just another lie. But back to this subject, the DOI has the integrity and is dually authorized to protect the M.E from harm to the TRUST period and OSAGEBLOOGER well said. This is a threat to our Sovereignty. Once again we will go to the Courts with appeals and if not all the way to Supreme Court. By this time the GOV. Tax subsidy program will have ended and as a result this co. will be deflated and by the looks of it heading this way as we speak.
DeleteIt's about time that you get up to speed and pull your head out of the sand. There are a number of extremely important factors that are causing instability in Osage County where the oil producers are concerned:
DeleteThe Donalson lawsuit.
EPA regulations that are not fully understood by the oil producers with new leases going forward.
High to prohibitive banking loan risk as a result of the unstable conditions in Osage County.
Land owners locking out the oil producers and threatening to call Gentner Drrummond if the oil producers enter the property.
New CFRs with additional regulations coming from the BLM to be managed by the BIA whose representative can't manage to attend the 24 yearly scheduled Mineral Council meetings that do nothing but send out letters and do not defend the interests of the oil producers legally with Court ordered cease and desist or restraining orders to stop the oil producers from being locked out.
The perception that is growing that the Osage government and certain members of the Minerals Council do not really care about the business interests of the oil producers or their difficulties at this point in time and going forward into the future.
Add to that, BIA Superintendents who, for the last ten years, haven't been able to manage to enforce ONE single pertinent EPA regulation, never mind all of those associated with the BLM.
DeleteThis Italian government sell-off of ENEL stock has been going on for a while:
Deletehttp://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a_oBSG.9bNwQ
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/investors-cautious-on-enels-green-power-i-p-o/
This is really funny!... See Investors (of ENEL) advised to reject Italy's corporate ethics clause at
Deletehttp://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/21/us-italy-governance-idUSBREA4K0R720140521
Add as well
DeleteHigh to prohibitive investor risk as a result of the unstable conditions in Osage County.
If it can happen there, it can happen here in the U.S.: "Enel plans to sell its Romanian power distribution and sales assets this year." See http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/16/ukraine-crisis-gazprom-romania-idUSL6N0RH1E920140916?type=companyNews
DeleteFollow the wind farms ownership saga at https://www.planning.org/news/daily/story/?story_id=id:JkvvNrzJinmhJtqKkhAvhIxtcl6Fg3r5Gh1Tjd74q5dMOnt4-GLwOVUtE21-xeIB
Deletehttp://barnsdalltimes.com/http:/barnsdalltimes.com/news/two-wind-suits-tossed
DeleteThank you Osageblogger.
DeleteA WORD TO THE WISE:
DeleteOsage News Facebook web page:
U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor met with Oklahoma's tribal leaders Sept. 11. Osage Nation Principal Chief Geoffrey Standing Bear was among them.
"Justice Sotomayor greatly impressed me with her intellect and insightfulness," Standing Bear said. "All the Tribal leaders present appreciated her frankness as to the present views of the U.S. Supreme Court on Native Nation sovereignty. She cautioned us on the dangers of adverse decisions against the Tribes under the present Court."
READ THIS LAST PARAGRAPH THREE TIMES AND THANK YOU OSAGE NEWS FOR PRINTING THIS INFORMATION.
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Will wonders never cease!!
My nephew said he got a check today!
I'll let you know if I get one.
Oh but I have to be careful.
My "aggressive" dog scares the mailman!!
All 15 lbs of her......from inside......behind the screen door.....with a wire grate over the screen......oh and she barked.
My cat scared one a few yrs ago....by looking thru the same screen door......No, she didn't bark
Is it true that the MC voted to fire the office staff? I heard this was spearheaded by Red Corn with no mention on just exactly who was going to pick up the load.
ReplyDeleteThe MC should work through the superintendent's office for office help, they have no skills in employee relations. They are there to insure the shareholders interests are represented by the BIA. As you can see hiring and firing employees should not be on their plate.
DeleteI totally agree with your statement referring to the MC " They have no skills in employee relations " This has been evident time and time again from several of them! Another thing I agree on ,is that " Hiring and firing employees should not be on their plate" We have also seen people being hired that were : Good ole buddies " of certain MC members. Unless this is taken out of the MC hands, I look for it to happen all over again.
Deletewould anybody care to list how the vote went on firing the office staff? I can kind of guess on about three of them but would like to know who voted which way.
DeleteGoodie! Get rid of the eye candy and hire professional office staff who dress appropriately and behave with the highest business and personal standards.
DeleteI can guess where that comment came from!
DeleteWe have several on the MC that IMO need to learn to behave with the "Highest business and personal standards" as well!
DeleteCalled the OST call center and anyone who is considered non-competent is also considered a restricted Osage with a restricted account. Cobell checks are supposed to be direct deposited into the IIM accounts for restricted Osages but Cobell has not yet made such a deposit payment of settlement funds to my IIM accounts as of today. Is anyone hearing differently? Has anyone received a Cobell check deposited into their IIM account?
ReplyDeleteMy check has arrived. Never went into my restricted account.
DeleteThen your not classifie as non competent there are two. Kinds of restricted account non and restricted.
DeleteIs it a Federal government check or is it being issued by the Garden City Group?
DeleteIt wasn't a GOVERNMENT check. Their is a hold on it for a couple of days.
Deletebank owned by the Confederated Salish and Kootenai Tribes of Montana saw a steady stream of customers on Thursday. Some $647,000 was deposited or cashed by about 500 people in just several hours, KLXF reported.
Delete"We had a houseful of people cashing checks yesterday," Eagle Bank president Martin Olson told KXLF.
Beneficiaries in Anadarko, Oklahoma, started lining up at a convenience store early Thursday morning. The Step-N-Fetchum was charging a 5 percent fee to cash checks, according to a local resident, and eventually ran out of money, the person said on Facebook. Why did u get hold on your check no body else did???
He lied just trying to stir up stuff probably doesn't even have a head right.
DeleteAgain, is it a U.S. Treasury Department Check or has it been issued by the Garden City Group? If you don't know, don't answer. Thank you.
DeleteAgain it is not.
DeleteRemember, today is the presentation for the Pawhuska Arbor during the Cultural Committee Meeting at 1:00 p.m. See https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/content_link/VwnpYEBJ6iUyU5dtSNDanl1KuMzNVEzK0KmjVwlk8ko1NyH5Xo0DUTU6lxouooxg?dl=1 and http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/multimedia/live-media
ReplyDeletePlaying via the internet live now.
Delete$2.5 million, my foot! They reduce the budget for the Burial Assistance Fund and add a million dollars to the price of the new Grayhorse Arbor built a year ago. Shame on you Arbor Committee and your metal building, Mr. Cass. For that price it should be gold plated!
DeleteA concession stand and restaurant?!!!? These dances are a religious ceremony, not a baseball game!!!!!!!! $17.30 per each dancer? Nonsense!!!!!!!! What kinda Bullcrap is this? This is not in keeping!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteCost per dancer over 60 years. If you members of Congress buy into such a budget justification, you are as dumb as a bag of hammers.
DeleteA new bathroom is good, a concession stand and restaurant IS NOT! Amortized over 60 years at $40,000 a year and $15,000 a dance per year? WTH?
Delete$300.00 a square foot? Get over it!!!!!!
DeleteEddy RedEagle is involved. Now we see why it's a million more than it should cost!
Delete$1.5 million more than it should cost..........
DeleteCoke and popcorn peanuts sno cones and cotton candy. This isnt a circus. Right heres the Osage government scandal of the week!
DeleteA 'Do Pass" recommendation from the Cultural Committee on this bill ONCA 14-56...
DeleteThis crap better not stand when it gets out on the floor of the full Congress.
DeleteYour million and a half bucks for our healh card went right into this metal building folks. No doubt about it. Why when big construction projects are around and up for funding is Eddy RedEagle is lurking around? Running up the construction costs always seems to happen when they see him coming.
DeleteThey amended the bill down from $2.5 million to $2.4. There was discussion about the tradition of the benches being paid for by the families. If the Nation pays for them then they should belong to all of the Osage people and not be able to be reserved to a particular family. In other wards, open seating for everyone who attends the dances in Pawhuska. Dr. Shaw said the concession stand was an add on. I took this to mean an option or bell and whistle that is not essential to the project. Good! Get rid of it. Unless you're going to give concession items away for free, it's a clear cut case of "money changers in the temple" so to speak.
DeleteBenches have been paid for by families for years and yes it is a tradition. Many have their family name on theirs including our family. We are proud to have a bench and proud to have our name on it so people will know where our Osage family sits and you can find us in the same spot each year and we can find other families. This insures that we will have a place to sit no matter when we get there. if this is going to stop then it is something we bought and paid for that the Osage Nation would take away from us. As far as concessions...there are already a number of concessions selling everything from fry bread to pop and have been doing so for years and IMO hasn't taken away from the meaning of the dances.
DeleteCobell found my restricted IIM Acct. today. All is well!!
ReplyDeleteThat is great. Yrea a realtive of mine is having GCG research where his check is at. And still waiting for another check in the case of a realtive who was on the unknown list. Thats a work in progress and I will be calling GCG today.
DeleteMine too! Save it wisely...
DeleteAnnette thanks will do.
Deletejust got my cobell money in direct deposet here in sand springs. was less than I was told, but i'm glad to get it. hope everybody saves most of their money. just sit on it till we see what happens in court...... next year may be very different.
DeleteVery good advice!
DeleteOk, so how does one get direct deposit. Most of my family had received their settlement by check where as one of my family members got a direct deposit with chase? Go figure, because most of the family has diect deposit. How do they choose GCG?
DeleteThank you, Ray. Glad to see that good advice is appreciated.
Deletethanks for what was owed us from the BIA to begin with? you got some strange idea about gratitude.
DeleteBah hunbug. Lol.can't relate then dont dictate.
DeleteThere are some of us who know how to appreciate.
DeleteI agree. My gratitude goes out to Eloise Cobell for all she did to right this wrong.
DeleteRay, good to see you back at the 'Keyboard'! I hope this reply finds you on the mend. I've enjoyed your postings here & ' Need-To-Know'. They have helped educate someone who has not been in the oil business.
DeleteMy thanks, graditude, and prayers go to Eloise Cobell for her hard work.
With that said, I spoke to Garden City Group today, after a few burps from the customer service, I spoke to one of their 'Project Managers'.I was told my settlement was direct deposited in my IIM account. I asked the project manager would I be receiving the settlement breakdown under seperate cover?
I was told there will not be a breakdown for each settlement or ANY settlement and to her knowledge no audit of proceeds, just the general explaination on their website. I called OST and they confirmed the deposit but said OST would not issue any settlement statement. It seems to me, the spirit and intent of this Law Suit was correcting mismanagement of funds and accountability. From my first contact with Garden City Group in Novrmber 2012 until now, the actual deposit was $ 5,000 less than the original estimate.I understand the term 'Estimate'. Can anyone tell me was there interest paid or what the rate was? $ 1.94 billion at 3% interest for just one year, equals the amount that the ' SCHOLARSHIP FUND' is to receive. I wonder if the interest could be added to the scholarship fund? Can anyone explain who was charged with Garden City Groups expenses? Will DOI, BIA or the DOJ be auditing where the settlement funds actually went? I read in the news, the Osage Principal Chief issued a 'Executive Directive No 14-18' on how we ship our packages! Do you think he is on top of this, requesting a statement of accountability from anybody? Tonight as we go to sleep, ask yourself, did we get a fair shake as Mrs. Cobell worked so hard for ? Or do we accept a quick direct deposit not knowing what or who managed this settlement, after all, wasn't this case all about mismanagement and accountability?
Don't worry Standingbear is going to take care of all Oages no matter where you live.
ReplyDeleteNOT!!!!!
DeleteI'd like to say, the issue with Redskins, and the boycott of FedEx over a football team is stupid and political. I like the W. Redskins. Go Redskins!!! I think the chief belittles us Osage over this......Too small potato for us to get into. We have enough on our plate to deal with anyway.
DeleteThis thread is now closed. Go to: http://osageblog.blogspot.com/2014/09/osage-shareholder-matters-september-2014.html
ReplyDeleteI have looked through out the Osage Nation web site and can't find any listings for the congress members. How do you contact Congress or and individual congress member?
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