Judging from the questions coming up from other websites, it seems as if there are some concerns that Fletcher II will now be holding up the Cobell payment to the Osages. Wilson Pipestem seems to be concerned about the purpose and what the lawsuit is expected to accomplish. Others, including Jim Gray are concerned going in about Amanda not stepping away from this lawsuit if is she is elected to become the AP Chief. All good concerns and questions. Since Amanda does not post here, perhaps you can weigh in on these questions and concerns, Galen. Thank you.
That's about right for Amanda to quit that lawsuit. How many lawyers have we had over the years in there that always seem to be absent from their duties to the Osage people and not at work in Congress where they should be? I get damn sick and tired of being last on the list with these legal types. She want's my vote, she'll have to give her notice to Fletcher and Pratt before the election takes place in June if she makes the cut in the primary.
Muskogee (Creek) The National Council failed in a July 18, 2007 hearing to show why they should not be held in contempt of our previous order of Feb. 20, 2006, the latest ruling states.
The order said the court is considering options in reprimanding the National Council’s attorney, Geoffrey Standing Bear.
“Mr. Standing Bear’s advice, or lack thereof, to the National Council with regard to whether it was violating this court’s order is astonishing,”
Seems he is not the outstanding lawyer he reports!!!.Maybe some of his campaign statements are somewhat less than the full story..
Isn't this just incredible? Back and back and back we go to the ills of this new primary that we don't need and never should have had in the first place.
How about his treatment of an 80 year old woman? Calling the cops on her like she was some kind of threat to him. He denies doing it, but when you tell an employee to do it - it's the same thing as doing it yourself.
The person who posted www.okgenweb.org/~okosage2/families/boulanger.html must have mistaken the fact that in the days before the roll was recorded all mixed bloods were referred as half-breed. Joseph W Boulanger is actually 1/8 Osage. His father was Pierre Boulanger and his mother was Adeline Montardy. He married Sarah Ann Cronk 11 Feb 1873 at the St. Paul Osage Mission in Neosho, Kansas.
Feb.19,2014 11:50 AM Concerns that Fletcher II will now be holding up the Cobell payment to the Osages. The BIA in Albuquerque told me that non-Indians wouldn't be getting any monies, and quoted the 1700 list. I was checking my 11-11-2013 pay off predictions for the Osage about that time.. But what we have here, now is a vote getting or loosing "PLOY".
The only ones who will be getting Cobell money are those who have had an IIM account at any time during a specified beginning date through to an ending date. If you are Osage, receive a Headright check but have no IIM account you won't be getting any Cobell proceeds of the law settlement. Those who qualify for IIM accounts are Indians (Individual Indian Money).
From my non- Osage but later Pawnee half brother favorite movie of all time Little Big Man Quota. Jack Crabb: Do you hate them? Do you hate the White man now?
Old Lodge Skins: Do you see this fine thing? Do you admire the humanity of it? Because the human beings, my son, they believe everything is alive. Not only man and animals. But also water, earth, stone. And also the things from them... like that hair. The man from whom this hair came, he's bald on the other side, because I now own his scalp! That is the way things are. But the white man, they believe EVERYTHING is dead. Stone, earth, animals. And people! Even their own people! If things keep trying to live, white man will rub them out. That is the difference. " Brother Bernard "Lucky" Howell would had enjoyed reading that but Agent Orange and Camels cigarettes took him to early in life. He's out there on that Osage perpetual resting place ,Pawhuska Cemetery, not far from Osages own Governor Joe, Not Scared of Pawnee., both rest in Peace.
Unbelievable. Still does not justify his actions because he should get a hall pass for stealing over a 100,000 dollars and he paid it back, got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Hum still owes the debt and now they don't want there money,wondering what deal was made to get this out to Osage voters, I don't like these shades deal, you no have lost my vote!!
The judgment was against a company she co-owned - since dissolved. The problem was a client that stiffed both companies - hers and the sub. Ever been stiffed by a customer? It happens. It's why businesses incorporate. It doesn't mean that Gray did anything wrong personally.
She's still principally responsible for the debt. That's the way it works. We don't need a Chief who has to declare bankruptcy and that's all there is to that.
It is important that people realize that the suit has not been dismissed and the defendant Gray has not made any effort to pay. It is only stalled until after the election.
My opinion is, and most likely will not mean a thing. Headrights should go back to the families, to many were beaten out of theirs. That is plain as you can get, and no way should that family or families have to pay for what is theirs.. Remember this Minerals Council, and don't vote them back in. What is happening is bad. Many of our people will be sick. You plan to use shareholders monies to do this, it goes back to the shareholder
On top of this, just talked to Jeff up in D.C., B.I.A.,he said they'd been helping to straighten things out down here,and would check and see whats going on, more or less. H .
Cool. This should go back to the families or rightful heirs. No money that belongs to the stakeholders in the first should be spent on this matter. That belongs to the shareholders. This needs to be clarified.
Sorry, I was only preferring to putting the BIA on notice about the Goodwill letter, and it was Tony instead of Jeff, Jeff had Tony at the BIA call me this morning. My questions were of the other side of the Jefferson dollar if you can imagine , yours is the coming back, mine is the other. I've always enjoyed reading your view, via the stakeholder logo.
Yeah 11:00 AM, and one day 75-100 years from now, your descendants will get to overturn and decide who they want the assets that you have left in your will left to. Be assured, it will be to them and not who you have every right to choose to leave them to today. Grotesque grave robbery of the absolute worst kind. A shocking disgrace upon every Osage alive today.
I found some cobell information that's causing the payments to stall. It's obvious they have found all unknowns and known now. Plus more party's are wanting a piece of the pie, I'll post some for your read.http://cobellsettlement.com/docs/Docket_4030_Order_Granting_Plaintiffs_Unopposed_Motion_to_Include_and_Authorize_Payment_to_Additional_Individuals_in_the_Historical_Accounting_Class.pdf
The same link to Amanda-Proctor-announces-her-candidacy-asst-principal-chief I thought it was pretty plain you must be challenged. It may be a waste of time to try to help you. Find that link near the bottom and read the posts after it.
This is the shareholders page. The other one is for everybody. These web pages are not linked but if you want to send someone over there to look at something, be courteous enough to post the link to that web page -- http://osageblog.blogspot.com/2014/02/conversation-part-2-february-2014.html
"I'm a firm supporter of the 1906 Act and I will not support redistributing of the headright shares of the minerals estate, nor do I intend to compact the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). I believe the Osage Minerals Council can take care of the minerals estate for the headright owners." You've got my vote. Just make sure you deliver on what you promise the Osage people.
i will vote for whoever promises to get rid of Mary Mashuckashey out of the Tax Commission. She stole/ embezzled $75,000. that we know of and only paid back $3000. Why does she still have a job? No degree, embezzler, big salary = stupid. Who will get rid of her gets my vote. there are smarter, better Osage workers around and they can take her place. She does not deserve that job. Gray let her stay on the condition she pay it all back and she did not pay it back, Johnny let her stay because she is his relative. She has no shame. Will Margo let her keep her job? Will GSB let her keep her job? Will Boone let her keep her job. if they let her keep her job, then they are just as guilty of embezzling.
Yes. Purge those Ma"shuck and jive"asheys right out of the Osage government. I'm under the impression that it was Jim Gray that forgave her having to pay back that debt. He had no right to do that and is just just as guilty of embezzling as she is. Though you get a song and dance about a statute of limitations, there is no such thing where criminal matters of this kind are concerned and its right in the Osage Code. "One case at a time" Jones, the Osage AG, should have had her up on charges and Jim Gray too long ago for what she did and what he did to let her off the hook. Take the Gray family off the table if you want anything to improve in the Osage government. What has happened to that WIC investigation? Time is slipping away on this one and it needs to come out very soon. Where is the Osage News on this case? Asleep at the computer?
Can any candidate answer this question: "Will you keep the present Tax Commissioner in her position if elected?" Will one candidate answer that question here please? She won't resign, she has no shame in taking money she has not earned or does not deserve. Will the Osage News ask that question please of the candidates? As far as the WIC investigation goes it was poor management and not embezzlement. She provided WIC services to over income Osages like Libby Gray etc. There were Osages making money way over the income guidelines and still received the food vouchers set aside for poverty level clients. She said she was ordered by Executive to give these food vouchers to over income Osages. In other words, she was told by the Executive branch to violate Federal law. She won't be prosecuted. Only her employees were made to suffer at the hands of that bully Brian Herbert who brow beat them and yelled at them and tried to make them cry with his storm trooper tactics that he calls investigation protocol. The AG should be ashamed of himself for allowing a man to treat those woman that way. They barely earn above minimum wage and Brian Herbert gets his rocks off brow beating them over a decision made by their past director.
And who filled out the forms that asked what the income level was? Santa Claus? No, it was the applicants. The ones making a request for the vouchers. That's where it begins and that's where it ends. The fraud occurred when the form was filled out with the false income information. It's just endless with you guys. Passing the blame to everyone except the ones who should be blamed and punished. The ones who should be prosecuted are the ones who took the vouchers when they knew that their income level was too high to qualify to receive them. Throw her under the bus too for sure but punish the liars and frauds who falsely filled out the application forms. At this point, to make an example of these people can only improve the situation. No consequences = no change in behavior. When is this ever going to get through to anyone running things around there?
The buck starts with prosecuting those who intentionally committed this intended fraud. What are the policies that are in place to not allow tnis to happen? How much did we have to pay back?
Glad you asked that question. A whopping $109,317! That's got to be a ton of food vouchers. The legislative bill for repayment is located at http://www.osagetribe.com/congress/uploads/Legislation/Bills/2013/40/ONCA13-40.ENACTED.pdf Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that there are policies in place other than those of the Federal government for this subsidized program.
This had to of been going on for a while. There can't be that many on vouchers? Whats the real story? What a cover up if I ever heard one. Regardless of this behavior why has the Feds not investigated, though the money was paid back does not mean fraud has not occurred? Two wrongs do not make a right. This women needs to be removed from her dutie and placed somewhere else and made to pay back the Nation if she renigs she is terminated period.
HIGHEST ALERT FOR OUT OF STATE AND OUT OF OSAGE COUNTY OSAGE NATION MEMBERS--I have reviewed the campaign literature of Terry Mason Moore and she is OPENLY for districting by school or zip code and a voter registration that takes a year because you have to live in that district for an entire year before you even register to vote. This sounds like she is trying to cut all of us members out of the herd who don't live in the three villages robbing us of our current Constitutional rights to vote. Since she does not clarify where these districts are to be located, take her off the table immediately as a possible candidate for Assistant Principal Chief. This is always the first step. The next step is to purge all Osages who live outside of the "designated" districts. This government was created to include all of us, not to exclude us. That's how it was sold and that's the way it's going to be as long as those of us Osage Nation members draw breath and are able to continue to fight to see that it stays that way. If you value your right to vote and the privilege of your right to register to vote in Osage elections no matter where you live, tell Terry Mason Moore where to get off on your absentee ballot or in the ballot box on Primary election day on Monday, March 10. If she makes it past that point, continue to send her on her way on Election Day, Monday June 2, 2014. The BIA is now reported to have been saying that the Osage Nation can choose to have one man one vote on Mineral Council shares so this could one day come to mean that you can't vote your shares if you don't live in the villages districts. Protect your own interests and do the right thing for yourself and your children in the future and don't vote for anyone, who in any way, appears to want to rob you of your vote or your membership in the Osage Nation.
Just reading your first few lines has me very concerned especially when a lot of us have leased land and so forth back home. Some of us have a lot of business there and I find that this is unfounded call of which we need to see the model and this needs to end here and now. Terry Mason Moore will not get my vote period if this is the case. Segregation is not the answer and tnis NATION WAS FOUNDED on all inclusion. To give everyone a vote. So put it to vote among the voters and in addition put on the table a vote to not to vote for her if tnis is the case. Talk about discrimination, will there be law suits you better believe it. This is why we became a Nation to give everyone a vote. Ah I see a Osage Constitutional Convention because then the reason tbis Gov. was founded and formed is based on a lie. I hope this is not true tans my hide if aint already tan lol. They just want to push the envelope don't they. Thanks Osageblogger for keeping us informed. Yes her true colors are showing .
Plus it says on this here page Terry Mason Moore sent out that she coordinated with outside litigation counsel-- the lawyers--for John Red Eagle. He lost his case in trial so imagine what it will come to if and when we get into court with her in the mix. Forget it. No vote for her from me.
Since when does the Osage Nation have to provide millions to put in a grocery store for that area when it paid millions already for that failed venture in the Palace Grocery? What is this? The Cry Baby Ranch over there? They all got HPP settlement money. Put that up for your own grocery store. Why should they have such privileges when the rest of us can't get anything from the Osage Nation government?
Fairfax to Walmart in Ponca City. 34.0 mi, 38 min driving 42 min with traffic. If they really want to serve the people they could provide transportation say maybe twice a week.
Or they could spend their HPP settlement amounts and get there by themselves. I drove to work 60 miles one way and 60 miles back, five days a week for a year. It can be done. Never mind the moan, moan, moan. Get out your checkbooks and pay for it yourselves. You leeches on the treasury of the Osage Nation are unbelievable! You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Osage Shareholders Association meeting will be Sunday March 2 at Dave Landrum 1:00 Pot Luck...Chicken will be provided...Chief and Assistant Chief Candidates are invited for program...
You know I believe I sent in my $35 dues to join maybe a couple of times, they always sent it back. Sure love chicken, guess we need to form our own Non-Osage Shareholders Association, first year to join, free. Now the candidates may not be able to muster many individual votes from us in fact LETS say zero to keep the voting record straight, but indirectly telemarketing of eligible voting close friends, mail outs, get out the vote, unlimited ideas. If you're interested contact though TheTwoNativesCasino.com look up Homer on it, it has the e-mail and other connections. We may even get up our Chiefs Slots like we did four years ago.Homer
Thank you folks in Overland Park, Dexter, Porter, El Reno, San Juan Capistrano,Rocklin, San Francisco, Tempe, McNary, Redmond, Ponpano Beach, and Fort Atkinson a dozen of many online , from Sea to shining Sea and belong. H
Aiso, Thank's! Suunyvale,Highland, Beverly Hills, Simi Valley, Scottsdale, Aurora, Azle, Alvarado, Tyler, Katy, Bartlesville and DeQueen. Already got a e-mail and call out to two of the Chief candidates for their OK on the Chiefs Slots, no word back YET. Will try the last in a bit. H
I don't know if any of you know about assimilation, but I believe that by the loss of our land base will cause the abolishment of the treaties and Acts. That means those head rights. The tribal government with the minerals council have been paid off by the State of Ok., and the Osage Congress and Chief have paid off employees of the BIA. The Osage people have been lied to and the tribal government is guilty of fraud. Once all the monies are put into the foundation and we are incorporated into Okla. it is too late to do anything about it. And believe me all three running for Chief are involved.
Yes. I think we are all curious about this foundation you are talking about. Best to give the whole of the information you have rather than play games and be evasive. There are enough secrets being kept by the Osage Nation as it is already. Man up and tell us what you know.
HEADS UP! OSAGE HEADRIGHT & RESTRICTED LAND OWNERS MEETING TO UPDATE THE OSAGE OPERATORS ENVIRONMENTAL REFERENCE MANUAL at 6:30 p.m. on Tuesday March 4 at the Osage Casino Hotel in Skiatook. See http://osagenews.org/event/osage-headright-restricted-land-owners-meeting-update-osage-operators-environmental-reference-
**WARNING* ONCA0014-10 by Standing Bear and Moore proposes spending $3.3M that is about $11,000 for each registered voter in the Fairfax on the children and elderly. There are only about 13 children in the headstart and how many elderly do they plan to serve? How much is planned for the children and elderly of California and Texas that have a much higher number of Osages than Fairfax. The idea of equality seems to be missing somewhere here. It won't be long if you get Standing Bear as Chief that you will need to live in Osage County to benefit in any way for being Osage.**WARNING**
Good post 10:19 AM. I'm glad that someone sees the disparity and total lack of fairness inherent in the behavior of these two this early on before the election in June. Standing Bear hasn't started up with a bill yet for the new "Cultural" Center to duplicate the one we already have that he intends to build according to his campaign literature. Keep your eyes peeled for this freeload for those who live in Pawhuska. If the ON Congress doesn't get something off of the ground for all of us at the upcoming session at the end of March it will be nothing more than the usual lip service to everyone they travel to "visit" during the campaign. When they arrive in your area, keep their feet to the fire and confront them about the horribly unfair way they indulge themselves with the Osage people's money that belongs to all of us and don't share it. Don't be fooled by how gracious they appear to be in person.. Your vote is all they care about. They'll talk about you, tell everyone else they talk to about how you don't get it and how easy you are to fool and laugh all the way to the bank. They will always have an excuse to spend the money on themselves or find one. That's been the pattern for the last seven years and many of them have business interests outside of the Osage Nation that motivate them to keep the money in the local area in Osage County. It's not rude to expect a politician to fairly represent those whom he/she has or will come to represent and it's very wrong to stand down, stay quiet and say nothing about it.
Right. It is for them. Thank you for keeping us informed. They should be confronted wherever they go. Half a billion bucks later and what have they done for us as opposed to themselves?
After looking into the Wells Fargo Bank advice put forward by Kugee Supernaw here on the Osage Blog, a bank account with them is NOT available for campaign purposes in Colorado, unless you file business paperwork with the Colorado Secretary of State. This is also true with Bank of the West in Colorado as well. If you are from Colorado and planning to run for office in the ON Congressional election and you don't want to go to all that bother and expense, there are three banks that will accept out of state customers in Oklahoma where you can open a bank account for campaign purposes as per the requirements of the Osage Nation Election Rules: Citizens Bank at http://www.cboktulsa.com/ Speak with Aubree. The First National Bank in Pawhuska at http://www.fnbpawhuska.com/about_us.html Security National Bank at http://www.ssbok.com/locations.php Speak with Sherry. You will have to come into the Election Office in Pawhuska to file to run for Congress: The filing period is March 15, 2014 - March 31, 2014. See FAQ at http://www.osagetribe.com/electionboard/info_sub_page.aspx?subpage_id=2
RED ALERT--IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: In view of the plethora of inexplicable choices that the elected officials of the Osage Nation have made during their tenure for the last seven years, the most recent of which was reported by Congressman Raymond Redcorn in his Update #170: "For employees, the full $1.4 ($1.5) million salary adjustment increase also made the cut, along with the full 3% Merit funding attached to salaries.", the Osage Blog is announcing its NEW Election Initiative that we are calling the Osage Surge for Candidates to come forward from outside of Osage County and the State of Oklahoma to run in the upcoming Osage Nation elections; "The Osage Surge" for short. We need boots on the ground, Osage members, to turn around the policies and spending practices of the Osage Nation government to one that is sensible and reasonable that includes ALL Osages no matter were they reside which was promised to us if we were to support a new Osage Constitutional government. We need to reestablish a proper balance from the top down and the bottom up! Please join this initiative and if you can, run for office in the upcoming Osage Nation elections in 2014. Since they won't, each one of us need to stand up and take responsibility and BE RESPONSIBLE for what our new government does in the future. Now IS the time for all good Osages to come to the aid of their new Constitutional government. If we don't step up to change things they will never change...
WOW! I see that Ray McClain has announced he is running for mineral council. That might make a few start thinking. His announcement and a new web page is on his web site http://www.Osages-You-Need-To-Know.com
Notice says he may be sick and won't know for a while. Meanwhile he's going to run anyway. What this says to me is that he may have to drop out as a candidate or as a member of Council if he gets elected at some point if it turns out he can't serve. I don't know about this. We have enough problems going in just trying to get a good job done out of the ones who get elected and the hires they have put in to work on the shareholders trusts are appalling and these are decisions that the office manager is fully and completely responsible for. That may sound harsh, but McClain's the one who's placing us in this position and that's not really fair of him to do so. My sympathies lie with the Shareholders who have been jacked around back and forth since the Const. government took over. He'll go with the new CFRs and on and on anyway. He's already in the mode of making excuses all the time just like Abbott, Yates and Crum. We don't need another one like them. The real players have left or are leaving and the ones who have been found to come back in look like flakes. This is the legacy of these three and we don't need more of the same. It will probably take many years to repair the damage done as it is, if ever. If Galen Crum runs for Congress, he'll be in an even stronger position to get this new CFR agenda put through to overwhelm the Minerals Estate with it. Look how many people were held accountable when we lost federal reservation status. Nothing whatsoever happened to those reckless irresponsible jerks with their greed driven agenda who began the ruination of everything the Osages have had since the 1906 Act took effect. They never even had the good form and grace to apologize to the shareholders and the Osage people for what they did. As far as I'm concerned, Cynthia can call them every bad word she can think of and still it won't be nearly enough to scratch the surface. Gray goes around acting like the grand old man of Osage Politics. The current wife gives online lectures and the whole thing coming from the two of them is utterly revolting and insufferable. If this were Iraq the two of them would have been found hiding in a hole in the ground and you know the rest.
You poor thing. You wouldn't recognize a harbinger of the end of the Mineral Estate if Gabriel were standing next to you blowing his horn right in your ear. It must be truly awful to have no skill whatsoever at being able to gage what the chances are of something bad happening up ahead like a chess player does in a chess game. The very least the man can do for the shareholders is come to the table with a clean bill of health.
I completely agree, The 9:49 PM poster must be one of those silly vapid individuals who is so fault averse he couldn't admit fault for anything he does or find anyone at fault for anything they do no matter how harmful. Some people never grow beyond the playground sandbox and become adults. It's a pity but don't make us pay for it.
I am in agreement with poster at 9:49 pm. If anything Ray McClain has my vote. It would behoove you to research the Oil business. He has done more to keep the the stakeholders in the first comprised and his actions speaks in volumes. We need leaders to sit on the council and he would make a great candidate. His reputation surpasses my expectation. Have you read his latest letter? Unbelievable! This is telling. And if I were you, as a stakeholder in the first, e-mail tell this guy where to go and pound sand. You didn't get this information from the council you got it from Ray McClain. This is called communication with the shareholders. Isnt this what we need? We have every right to develope our M/E as we see fit and any and all agreements signed by those who developed their homes on our M/E signed a right of way agreement. The 1906 act is not a back door agreement that allows for interpretation other than clearly what it says. No loopholes to be had. This land is our land. We bought and paid for it. Unless the State of Ok wants to lose it's gross production tax...of which they really do not have entitlement? And is the true reservation of the Osage the M/E. The homeowners in my book if they go against the contract they signed then they renig per agreement can move or be removed? At of which what are the consequences if a landowner does renig on said agreement? Non the less, who else other than hearing about Mrs. Kravitz biting at the bits every chance she gets is someone who needs to be replaced asap. My health is returning after being on meds for a month. Thought we were going to fight the uphill battle, cancer. And getting stronger everyday and still considering a run for council. We need a voice and I see some real teamplayers. Keep your eyes wide open. We have a voice.
New CFRs = little if any royalty income. McClain is for the new CFRs. If that works for you, then you must not need the money. Let the Feds push in with all these rules and regulations and you'll never see the end of it. Stand on principal with your own check, not mine.
Agreed. Need Council people who won't be sick and will be there for the next four years. The Minerals Council is riddled with instability as it is already. Think of the Shareholders first and yourselves as candidates last. If there is even a small chance that you can't serve the term, don't run. If you have to step down that means that the new Osage Nation administration will be in a position to appoint someone who sees things the way they do and will do things the way they want them done and that's the last thing we need as shareholders.
I'm not sure what Melvin Core means in the Osage Mineral News when he says to vote for candidates who want to compact or contract the ME and then turns right around and says the opposite in the rest the paragraph. Is this a mistake or doesn't he know what compacting or contracting means?
Ray McClain with both hands tied behind his back and tape over his mouth, knows more about the oil business than all eight members of the Council now. Believe me even though he speaks the language of the Oil & Gas Producers, he would NEVER take money from the Producers to go to Washington on their behalf.
No, but if you elect Boone and company it will. There are many times they (Boone & company) wanted to take the first offer from the Producers and with the help of the others we ended up with MILLIONS in bonuses. Those Producers didn't pay for Boone and company to go to Washington for nothing. They are going to want a return on their money sooner or later. Think about that one. Plus remember that Boone and company are the group that don't want the Producers to pay us a fair price for the oil and gas.
And what a conflict of interest that was. Time to rid the council of any appearance of impropriety. The interest should always favor the stakeholders in the first. That's you and me the shareholders.
You must live in the Boone World where they make things up and believe them and aren't very smart! Mr. McClain was never a Producer and has been retired from the oil business since 2005. Wish you weren't such a coward and would post under your name.
Another two from Congress back on the dole? FAREN REVARD ANDERSON>>>>>>>>>>> http://osagenews.org/article/osage-minerals-council-election-office-open MARK SIMMS and EDDY RED EAGLE, JR. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://osagenews.org/article/principal-chief-bighorse-appoints-individuals-board-vacancies How many of them no longer in Congress are collecting a paycheck from the Osage Treasury through this revolving door? Every single one of them? Meanwhile Osages who need the money go without so these leeches can enrich themselves at our expense.
What experience does Anderson have to run the Minerals Election? Do they see these people walking down the street and pull them back in? What is this? Who ran the election last time? This is so crazy.
Osage Shareholder's Election information is located at http://osagenews.org/article/osage-minerals-council-election-office-open and http://osagenation.co/minerals-council-election-information/ Why would the Shareholder's Election office close on March 31, 2014 when it just opened on March 3, 2014? What kind of insanity is this?
My vote for the award for most radical change goes to the members of the Osage Congress and Judicial Branch for holding the Executive Branch and its employees accountable for what they do in government. It was a brave and difficult thing to do and they should be commended for it. This is the first evidence the Osage Nation will someday have a government that actually works.
Too bad they didn't do it from the very beginning when Raymond and Shannon along with that Littleton women were always cooperating with Jim Gray and the Executive to the detriment of the strength of the Legislative Branch when this whole irresponsible pattern got started.
How did the list of defendants in the Fletcher case go from greater than 1700 to the 300 the MC sent letters to? Case No. 02-CV-427(K)(M) IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF OKLAHOMA 1. WILLIAM S. FLETCHER; 2. CHARLES A. PRATT; 3. JUANITA W. WEST; 4. CORA JEAN JECH; and 5. BETTYWOODY, Individually, and on behalf of themselves and all others similarly situated, Plaintiffs, V. 1. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA; 2. THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR; 3. KENNETH SALAZAR Secretary of the Interior; 4. THE BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS; 5. WALTER ECHOHAWK, Assistant Secretary of the Interior – Indian Affairs, Federal Defendants, CLASS ACTION ATTORNEY LIEN 52. A.J. SCROGGINS; 53. ADA WADDELL; 54. ADOBE ROYALTY INC.; 55. ALAN CAMPBELL; 56. ALAN KLEE; 57. ALAN SODERSTROM; 58. ALBERT RICKENS; 59. ALBERTA MATTESON; 60. ALBRIGHT COLLINSON; 61. ALFRED GIBSON; 62. ALICE LACEY; 63. ALICE SMITH; 64. ALISON OWENS; 65. ALLEN OLIPHANT; 66. ALMA AYRES; 67. ANDREW FRANKS; 68. ANDREW LEA; 69. ANDREW NATE TAYRIEN; 70. ANGELA STEELY; 71. ANN BERTERO; 72. ANN LOCKETT; 73. ANN OSTEEN; 74. ANNA JEFFERSON; 75. ANNA PAPPIN; 76. ANNA ROGERS; 77. ANNE BENNETT; 78. ANNE HIGGINS; 79. ANNE LEHMANN; 80. ARCHIE FAIR; 81. ARDENE SWENSON; 82. ARLES SCOTT; 83. ARTHUR GARDNER; 84. AUDRA LINLEY; 85. B BEAVER; 86. BAILEY HICKSON; 87. BARBARA ANCONA; 88. BARBARA BURNS; 89. BARBARA CHASTAIN; 90. BARBARA CHITWOOD; 91. BARBARA DEVINE; 92. BARBARA DOOLEY; 93. BARBARA ENGLES; 94. BARBARA FITZER; 95. BARBARA MCCLISH; 96. BARBARA RANDALL; 97. BARBARA WHITEHORN; 98. BARRY COPENHAVER; 99. BARTON NAGLE; 100. BEATRICE MALONE; 101. BENJAMIN BENEDUM; 102. BENJAMIN CARL LUCAS; 103. BERNADINE BEITZEL; 104. BERRY JOHNSON; 105. BERTHA KAY NAVARRO; 106. BERTHA KEELER; 107. BERTHA PAYNE; 108. BETSY TOWSE REVARD; 109. BETTIE BRAVE; 110. BETTY BLUE; 111. BETTY CAMPBELL; 112. BETTY CAROTHERS; 113. BETTY DENOYA; 114. BETTY GUINEY; 115. BETTY HABERLY; 116. BETTY HEDIGER; 117. BETTY MAST; 118. BETTY MCPHERSON; 119. BETTY MOORE; 120. BETTY ROGERS; 121. BETTY WAYMAN; 122. BETTYE PASTANA; 123. BEULAH WILKIE; 124. BEVERLEY TAYRIEN; 125. BEVERLEY YOUNG; 150. BUCK DAVIS; 175. CECIL RIDGE; 200. CLAIRE MCCOY; 225. CRAIG COLLINSON; 250. DAVID MACKAY; 275. DON JEFFERS; 300. DOROTHY MILLS; 325. ELINOR LOTTINVILLE; 425. GERALDINE HYATT; 450. GUY HICKSON; 451. H. WEYL; 452. HAL NIEMANN CALVERT; 453. HARDY JOHNSON; 454. HAROLD LONG; 455. HAROLD ROGERS; 456. HARRIET MATHIS; 457. HARRY GRAY; 458. HARRY HARTLEY; 459. HAYDEN & OPAL POGUE; 460. HAYLEY MCCARTY; 461. HAZEL BRETZ; 462. HAZEL MILES; 463. HEATHER KELLER; 464. HEDWIG WHITE; 465. HEIDI GREEN; 466. HELEN BOGAN; 467. HELEN CAMERON; 468. HELEN CASTLES; 469. HELEN DIXON; 470. HELEN DOLL; 471. HELEN FRONKIER; 472. HELEN LADNER; 473. HELEN STITTS; 474. HELGA BARRY; 475. HERBERT MCGREEVY; 476. HILDA EUBANKS; 477. HOLLIS WOODMANSEE; 478. HOMER BARLOW; 479. HOMER BUCKER; 480. HOMER FINCANNON; 481. HOMER SHAW; 482. HORTENSE HARRIGAN; 483. HOWARD RANDALL; 484. HOWARD TRUMAN; 485. HOWARD WALKER; 486. IDA PERRIER; 487. IMOGENE THOMAS; 488. IONE SCHRADEN; 489. IRENE WEAVER; 490. IVA CARRUTH; 491. J C DEVINE; 492. J HAYS SMITH, JR; 493. JACK GIBSON; 494. JACK HULL; 495. JACK WOODMANSEE; 496. JACOB GOBLE; 497. JAMES ALBRIGHT; 498. JAMES BARTHOLOMEW; 499. JAMES CLIFFORD TAYLOR; 1720. THE VIRGINIA FLETCHER ESTATE; 1730. THE WANDA HESSERT ESTATE; 1748. THE WINIFRED LABADIE ESTATE; 1749. THE ZOE KINNU ESTATE;
Gerrymandering if I ever saw any, what could afford to sent out to all 1700 plus ? I believe you're getting too detracted by this lawsuit which I don't see your name on. So, in the mean time this Oklahoma State House of Representative in District 36, Sean Roberts in Hominy none-the-less, intrudes a Ok.House Bill that will hurt if not destroy the Osage Minerals more then these few little Shareholders. So, some of you are drawing your double dipping salaries, and WE AREN"T GETTING OUR MONEYS WORTH. 4000 non's may make a stand with some of you but some will have to be replace, this year . Will be getting the do nothing list up soon. Homer
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I'm sure you've read the http://barnsdalltimes.com/http:/barnsdalltimes.com/news/bill-targets-osage-oil-and-gas
State Rep. Sean Roberts that authored the bill who's top contributors Pac was the Chickasaw Nation with $10,000.00.
Top Industries Oil & Gas contributed $8250.00 In their top three contributors Koch Industries well known in the Osage.
Lobbyist $40,000.00......$5,200.00 went to H.R. Roberts Oh, you may remember the law firm Akin, Gump that those sharpies over on Osage Minerals Council fired, some of their money was in that $5200.00 But, I forgot their, too busy with the non-Osage Shareholders to pay this much mind. Cut down the trees to see the forest, Facts and figures from http://influenceexplorer.com/politician/id/6423b12082ad4b4b56818cab... H
Only one HB dropped and that was a school lunch bill. Show the facts and any of MC and others actions.
As far as this smart stuff, you may have lived on high too long need to get down to the trenches. and like a person that's tied to a floating buoy, to keep afloat, to raise the spirits of the underdog and resilience adversaries. The waves that strikes my face is but one that's not striking another, time will be served well old sailor, old soldier, old warrior of the plain, for if you all keep on you'll be where I'm at and I'll be there too. Homer BZ Comment
So, Ms. Amanda Proctor, the Osage News reported you to say"we encourage any Osage Shareholder to attend this important hearing." Fletcher v United States March 06, 2014. But, by checking the U.S. District Court the Honorable Gregory K. Frizzell docket, no such case appears on that date . Doubt if too many wasted their time showing up, probably another ploy to get attention in the local Tribal papers no matter the consequences to constituency .H
Thanks! Just two months off from what the Osage News reported, no wonder people don't vote,disillusionment runs rapid throughout this election process. "Journalism does have a responsibility to attempt to inform, also it would be incumbent on responsible reporters to make an effort if they themselves had any awareness to explain to the public,*" Tribe) Not everyone bothers to double check, just so much that a blogger can do. Both extremely weak local news and candidates information.that people can't understand Appearing confused and not paying attention, are two different things,
BE SURE AND VOTE MARCH 11, 2014 for CHIEF and A C. Does the day Spring forward too?? *Confusion. H
BOONE BONUS If you have noticed Cynthia Boone in a snit lately, it is because the Mineral Council Trust Secretary that SHE RECOMMENDED for the job, refused to take a surprise drug test that Cynthia herself suggested to the office manager several weeks before in hopes of catching Dena. The other two women working in the office passed the test. This highly recommended employee (by Cynthia) ran out the door yelling she was sick. Wouldn’t even come back into the office to get her purse and car keys, and had to pound on the window to have someone bring them to her. I guess she figured if she came back in the office they were going to jump her and make her pee. A little extra bonus. This employee that Ms. Boone said could do no wrong, well when they were cleaning out her desk, they found well over 50 Trusts shoved way in the back of a drawer, that were supposed to be finished. Some of these Trusts were dated over a year ago. Nice going Ms. Boone, we look forward to your next recommendation!
To: Patricia Spurrir-Not To Bright - How can you be this hateful on the Sabath? Do you just make this stuff up or is someone using you to spread this Message?
Primary Election Day TODAY at the Cultural Center. Campaigning is located on Campus. See http://www.osagenews.org/article/osage-nation-hosts-first-primary-election
What's up with this? http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/user/register How can we be expected to sign up on the Nation's new website if we get a message like this preventing us from going forward? Who did they hire to do the web work on this one? The guys who worked on the Obamacare website?
If StandingBear and iPad Ray win this election it's because they put together this ersatz Primary Election that requires filing to run during the Xmas season which tilts the playing field in their favor as legislators to seek higher office. StandingBear has been lusting after being Chief since the days when he was involved with that TU law professor who helped come up with that National Council in the '90's when he was elected Assistant Chief that Tillman and the 30th Council sent to its timely death. He has been after laying plans for this scheme of his to be Chief for many years. As predictions go, I believe that there will be no end to the money he will spend and the litigation he will get us involved in to the detriment of the Mineral Estate in the end. If there isn't a new Osage trust with an entirely different set of shareholders by the end of the next four years it will surprise me greatly. Certainly if he is reelected in the subsequent four years. Mark these words today because they will be true someday in the future just as if they were written in stone. If they aren't proven to be true, it will only be so because he will have failed but it will not be for lack of trying.
I am more worried about his son threatening people that once his dad is chief that they won't have a job. He has pointed out several non-Osages as the first to go even though these are loyal long time employees that are Native. I fear another return to the favoritism and nepotism we just went through. His son plays dirty tricks and now will be untouchable when his dad GSB is elected. It will be a new reign of terror on the hill.
There are over 10,000 Osages on the voting roll. Only 1790 voted, that is less than 6% cared to make their wishes known. Does that say IDGAS in spades. .
Heads Up! The filing period to run for Congress is March 15, 2014 - March 31, 2014. See FAQ at http://www.osagetribe.com/electionboard/info_sub_page.aspx?subpage_id=2
Today is the first day for filing to run as candidates for the Osage Nation Congress. The first four to file to run are Alice Buffalohead, Dr. Ron Shaw, Otto Hamilton and Michael Kidder.
It is reported that the MC is firing employees. Councilman Galen Crum had initiated a telephone poll to approve terminating the Council’s Trust Secretary Ciaradon Carpenter for cause. The specific charges were not made public. The vote was 6 yes and 2 no, with Boone and Whitehorn dissenting. I hope she gets a good lawyer that will take the case of wrongful termination for a contingency and sues the BIA and each yes voter personally. I doubt they have any kind of immunity.
I doubt anyone accusing her has the expertise to make drug charges or that proper federal guidelines were followed in this action. The accusers may end up needing magic lawyers.
To the poster March 18 9:41 Please tell us just exactly who these "Accuses" are that you are referring to. This was a random drug test. As far as I know no one was accused ! However, when you run out of the office and refuse to come back to avoid the test that speaks a lot to the perceived guilt, does it not ? Lets also address the shareholder trust documents that were stuffed in the back of her desK. Hope one of them wasn't mine !
Old Galen Crum, believe was a Civil Service Employee, Fireman in Kansas, probably would have taken more then a Keystone cop to get him to piss in the jar. Tell the truth you jerks, hope the whole employee work force goes Teamster. H
You guys don't know diddly! Not only did she not take the drug test but ran out of the office to avoid it and didn't come back Secondly, anywhere that I have worked have had random drug test as a company policy including civil service jobs and you had one hour to test or you were fired if you refused.Companies have for years have you do a drug test before you are even hired. Let us not forget that random drug test are a safety issue. How would you like to be working with someone that unknown to you was spaced out on something? I can guarantee you that the Teamsters back drug testing and so does every other Union that I know of, so that won't help. You can test me anytime I have nothing to hide !!
Sure ! I've had to have a drug screening to do contractor work in a highly restrictive defensive faculties. But all was done at a controlled professional laboratory, none of this pole-dunk-center operation like being describe above. Line those boys and girl or girls after the new election and sent over the jar to the OMC meeting, after listening to 45 minutes they must be on something, giving away a rock crusher twice, come on down non sense.H
People know many things about Minerals Councilmen, it is not good, That PSB woman, is a joke, and then some. That Dena girl has all of you in the dark. One day it will all come out, on all of them. Can't wait for the lawsuit to start, and all those that will be involved will say, they did nothing, but people have it all down. A lot of liars.
I ,Homer Fincannon officially announcing my run for Chief of the Non-Osage Shareholders,
In years pass it is my understanding that the Shareholders elected their own Chief which I believe is a fair and honorable thing for the Shareholders to do, but they by whatever means have gave that post up. The Non -Osage Shareholders didn't get a chance or was even ask to vote to keep a Chief. So this way the Non-Osage Shareholders and or Non-Indian Shareholders including some True Osages that feel left out this will give them a voice, your wishes. You may ask is this a shadow government of the Osage Nation Mineral Council, yes and no. Definitely not a paying post,others can apply, dead line April 1st. 2014, sign up on Non-OsageShareholders.com or go ahead and vote if your on there ,4000 votes out there somewhere. I do believe we can straighten that Mineral Council out and make our HeadRight worth more every three months. How, its like a Country Club Golf Social. Unofficial on the job since 2008, Acting Chief Homer Fincannon
BIG NOT! No one can be in a position to directly influence Osages politics in an official Osage government but Osages themselves. This has been the BIA regulation from the very beginning and that policy is over a hundred years old. If you don't like what the Osage government is doing then the best policy is to get in touch with the Secretary of the Interior first and then contact the Indian Committees of the U.S. Congress if you don't receive a satisfactory response from the Secretary. The fiduciary relationship of the United States of America exists with and is owed to the Osage Tribe/Nation tracking back to the Cherokee Deed for the purchase of the Osage Reservation in 1883 and the Mineral Estate Trust created in 1906 by the Allotment Act is for the benefit of the individual Osages, period. It does not, nor has it ever protected non-Osage entities, non-Indians or Indians of another Tribal community.
That all went away when the Osage Nation was formed, by act of congress. The Kansas land also belongs to the non-Osage people, it was deeded to osage anuaniti.
Nonsense! If all that went away when the new Osage Nation government was formed, then the mineral rights, tied to the Cherokee Deed for the purchase of the Osage reservation, have gone away too. ON Constitution supports the 1906 Allotment Act as amended in Article XV, Section 2 and Section 4. The Cherokee Deed is on display at the Cultural Center in the Annette Gore Library above one of the bookshelves.
Dear Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. or Whoever or Whatever, The one that controls the Black Pencil;
It appears that a number of my previous, truer then life or death comments have been deliberatively deleted from this Blog. Why??
Your opening comment Thanking all Osages for making this Blog successful, although excluding myself, I believe a good number Non-Osages have added to that success. In fact , a upcoming poll may show the numbers. H.
The Cherokee Deed is just a souvenir. The 1906 Act divided the land and reserved the minerals. The Osage Nation really has no jurisdiction over the mineral estate and entries in the ON Constitution are not really allowed by the bill that allowed the Nation to be formed and can make no changes to the headright that existed at that time. The DOI should step in and write a new CFR for the Mineral Estate.
The minerals can't be reserved without ownership and the Cherokee Deed to the reservation property is what the mineral rights are tied to directly. Ask a lawyer about real estate law and title to properties in fee simple. The BIA IS a division of the DOI. Next time, know what you are writing about before you comment with such misinformation.
Reminder: The filing period for Congress is March 15, 2014 through March 31, 2014. See the FAQ at http://www.osagetribe.com/electionboard/info_sub_page.aspx?subpage_id=2 Filing for the Osage Minerals Council 2014 election begins on March 19, 2014 and closes on March 31, 2014. See http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/what-we-do/elections/minerals-election
More FOS from the Osage Congress... they raised the minimum wage to $11.50 and said that this was competitive for the area. It's another lie. The biggest Indian employer in Oklahoma is the Cherokee and they've just raised their minimum wage to $9.50!!!!!!!! Minimum wage is the State of Oklahoma is $7.50. >>>>>>>>> http://www.cherokee.org/News/Video/tabid/1577/tid/227/Default.aspx That's $530,000 higher a year for the Osage Nation government employees than the Cherokee!!!!! Get rid of these big spenders in the Congress in June and go with those who won't throw money around like it's a Pirate Treasure to be divvied up among themselves that they have no respect for whatsoever.
Who pushed this through? Time for the OSAGE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. We the people of the Osage want on a ballot for support of a Per-Cap from the Casinos. If this initiative is not supported will petition by mailers. All I have to do is petiton the shareholders. Then we take it to an Administration level and the due process begins. We are fully aware of the cost of living in your area really is and thus far we are aware their are huge inefficiencies with in depts. throughout the Nation as well. Not just do we need a New Congress, we need people who just understands what a moral compass is? Like I said for every dollar spent match it for their people The Osage and put it in a revolving acct. Then at the end of the year that would be their Turkey dinner voucher. Everyone should be included and I'm really seeing discrimnation here and the polls are very swayed. This is not good.
Osage Congress, get this man his Turkey voucher! Like the old saying goes, we need every chicken member of Congress in every hot pot we can find who doesn't take care of all Osage members and not just those who vote or work for the government!!!!!!!!!!!
As of ten minutes ago, when I called the Mineral Election Board there were only the following people running for office, which I find strange. given the number of people who say they are running: 1. Ray McClain 2. Mel Core 3. Myron Red Eagle 4. Andrew Yates
Just before this call, I called the Osage Nation Election office and I have only the following names, which I also find strange. 1. Alice Buffalohead 2. Dr. Ron Shaw MD 3. Otto Hamilton 4. Michael Kidder 5. tony Whitehorn 6. Clair Wood
At the last Friday MC meeting, Mrs. Phillips gave a short presentation on the relevance of Chief James Bigheart in his efforts to secure the mineral rights for the Osage people, there-by bringing great wealth to the Osage which is enjoyed still today. She then, on behalf of the Bigheart Statue Foundation, asked the MC to consider a donation to the fund to build a statue of James Bigheart at the museum. The MC said they would discuss it in the following Wednesday meeting. She also had a conversation with a producer she knows and asked if his company would consider a donation. He said that if the MC approved a donation then he would present the request to his board. In the following Wednesday MC meeting Cynthia Boone said that " The producer was very upset and felt accosted by Mrs. Phillips" by her request of consideration of a donation. The producer has since been asked about this and said it never happened and that if he had an issue he would have brought it to the attention of the entire MC and not to just one person. This is yet another example of the lengths that Mrs. Boone will go to make false statements when she thinks she will not be caught in a lie. This time she was challenged by Galen Crum and when she denied it. Galen said it was all on the MC audio recording. This is also documented in the Osage-You-Need-To-Know post about the MC meeting. I hope the people in California read this blog and are getting an idea of what goes on here in Pawhuska and vote accordingly. Surely this is not the kind of representative they would want representing them!
Of course the producer said that. You people are so juvenile. He said...she said. Let's move on to something that has relevance to the Mineral Estate. The MC has no business funding statues or anything else not directly minerals related. Business is business.
To Anonymous on 3-25 at 11:57 While you are jumping on someone, go jump on Cynthia. She is the one that lied about the producer. It's funny how you can justify what others do and say while you are overlooking the truth. As far as the statue, if it weren't for the efforts and ground work by James Bigheart there would be no minerals estate or need for a MC and that my friend IS relevant ! If you don't think so ask the many Osage citizens that get a quarterly headright check and the MC that has $1,000,000 a year of oil money in their budget to say nothing about the salaries they draw. I'll bet it's ALL relevant to them. Have a good day.
James Bigheart's biggest contribution to the 1906 act was to get the right mixed blood people to serve. Leahy, Trumbly and a adopted Sioux John Palmer, wrote the act and did all the interface with the U. S. Government to get the bill passed and the allotment of the reservation. The motivation was to shut out the man named Foster who had an agreement through the agency develop all of the Osage reservation after a well had been discovered. The decedents don't face the reality of how little Bigheart actually did..
Oh my, you have soooooooo much hate and jealously in your heart, you are to be pitied. You give James Bigheart full credit for getting the right people to put the Act together, then you say he did very little. You leave out the part where he spent nearly 10 years fighting with the Federal Government to stop statehood until the Osages were taken care of, and was beaten nearly to death for his efforts. Then, because of the beating, he signed the final documents of the 1906 Act from his sick bed, from which he never got up, and then died 2 years later, just months before he would have received his first headright payment as authorized by his 1906 Act. A statue is the least we could do. We should be building a monument to this man.
Hate? Envy? Let's not forget the fact that he got filthy rich in the process. You can fictionalize if you want to but the facts speak for themselves. He actually had a stroke in March of 1906 when he was in Washington D.C., not in a sick bed located somewhere in the Osage Reservation. The best way to honor a man is to tell the truth about what he did when he was alive. If you're looking for a handout, you can now go to the Osage Foundation that makes contributions for such things. The Osage Museum also has a budget for statue funding as well. 'One exhibit' Kathryn Redcorn probably won't be there when you come in the Museum door because she's taking that 2229 exhibit back to St. Louis for another round of fist pumps and high fives. Don't expect to see any mixed bloods in the exhibit if you head over there. They will probably be edited out. The Minerals Council is the last place to go because it is supposed to handle Minerals business, not creative or artistic ventures of this kind. Trying to bully them into making a contribution for this statue borders on the despicable.
Patricia Spurrir not to-Bright must be a Bigheart girl I know Lou Phillips is. Chief Bigheart must turn over in his grave to know these are his decedents.The Osage Nation has the "Tribal Heritage" and should finance these kind of memorials. It is not for the mineral council to spend oil development and management money on this kind of statue.
As for Foster and shutting him out, please explain this lease document signed by Bigheart himself: http://books.google.com/books?id=2AEtAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA250&lpg=PA250&dq=Foster+and+James+Bigheart&source=bl&ots=vHz4tl27u8&sig=7GUUDV2tE3Fl9lWJ7UCvvienDrc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=__4yU__8Ko_toATX2oGQAg&ved=0CEcQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Foster%20and%20James%20Bigheart&f=false
4:44PM I must reply if for anything else my number came up, remember the 3-4's. My family, in the Osage had Great grand father A.W. Comstock a graduate of the first Law School at Drake University in Iowa. John Palmer and A.W. had a ranch together , later the Bert Colby place near Ponca City in the west edge of Osage County. They , John Palmer and A.W. Comstock were also Law partners in 1908, along with a Mr. Hudson. A.W's specialize in Corporate Law at Drake, you see that in the shareholders don't you.. In our family we use to have this oval shaped oak table , that A.W. used with the Chiefs, Attorneys probably Agency Superintendent too. This was over the Old Osage Mercantile store believe on Ki He Kah. So, if I may add A.W.'s name to that list of mixed bloods. Thank you, Homer
While blogging about Attorneys, and their furnishing, at that same Law office above the Osage Mercantile in the rough and tumble days of the early 1900's, they couldn't take out their aggression on a blog, some used pistols,one of the many stories told us while growing up in Pawhuska. This shooting took place right a the entrance the stairs going up to my GreatGrand Father A.W. Comstocks Law office. Some bystanders that had witness the shooting, grabbed up the wounded man and went straight up to A.W. office, wherefor A.W. yelled out he needs a Doctor not a Lawyer. So the guys laid him on this entrance foyer couch which absorbed a lot of blood, couch was later recycled down to Hominy to a happy taker. Moral of this story get your Professionals in the right order , this one Doctor first the Lawyer second, the same in Blogging . A.C.Homer
TOXIC!!! TOXIC!!! TOXIC!!! Consideration of ONCA 12-68, An Act to establish law governing the management, permitting, and use of water within the Osage Nation; to provide penalties for violation of the Act; to establish the Office of the Osage Nation Water Engineer; to provide a process for hearings and appeals; and to provide a limited waiver of sovereign immunity. (Standing Bear) WTF? A taste of the future where this guy, if he's elected Chief will bring heaven and earth down upon us coming straight from the State of Oklahoma? Who does he think he is? Jim Gray? This will be as bad or worse than that EPA legislation Gray tried to slip through that tore up everybody in Osage County. TOXIC!!! TOXIC!!! TOXIC!!!
You think? Just wait till you see what the OK courts have lined up for old Standing Beer when he gets there. They are already licking their chops and the Feds have no intention of stepping in to stop this legal suicide if he proceeds without seeking their help and protection first. Zoom!!! Zoom!!! Zoom!!! ALL gone before you know it............. It's your check........... enjoy it while it lasts!!!
Patricia Spurrir-not to Bright, you also contain minerals maybe we can sell you. --- Water rights belong to the land owner. H2O Surface Rights.
As you and Goeffrey Standingbear are about to find out. The Osage Nation will loose to the State of Oklahoma as the taxes dispute assured the loss of reservation status under the Gray administration. The placing of state property in Indian Trust Status for the Casino operation is debatable and is only allowed by the BIA not tested in the US Court or by US Congress.
And once again the winner is Edwards by 21 lengths.......... http://osagenation.co/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Third-Congress-Session-Absences-FY-2012-2014b.pdf
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DeleteJudging from the questions coming up from other websites, it seems as if there are some concerns that Fletcher II will now be holding up the Cobell payment to the Osages. Wilson Pipestem seems to be concerned about the purpose and what the lawsuit is expected to accomplish. Others, including Jim Gray are concerned going in about Amanda not stepping away from this lawsuit if is she is elected to become the AP Chief. All good concerns and questions. Since Amanda does not post here, perhaps you can weigh in on these questions and concerns, Galen. Thank you.
DeleteThat's about right for Amanda to quit that lawsuit. How many lawyers have we had over the years in there that always seem to be absent from their duties to the Osage people and not at work in Congress where they should be? I get damn sick and tired of being last on the list with these legal types. She want's my vote, she'll have to give her notice to Fletcher and Pratt before the election takes place in June if she makes the cut in the primary.
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Muskogee (Creek) The National Council failed in a July 18, 2007 hearing to show why they should not be held in contempt of our previous order of Feb. 20, 2006, the latest ruling states.
DeleteThe order said the court is considering options in reprimanding the National Council’s attorney, Geoffrey Standing Bear.
“Mr. Standing Bear’s advice, or lack thereof, to the National Council with regard to whether it was violating this court’s order is astonishing,”
Seems he is not the outstanding lawyer he reports!!!.Maybe some of his campaign statements are somewhat less than the full story..
Wow.
Deletewell with the new news I guess Mr boone get my vote,The way I see it, He's the only choice left for me.SO TOM IF GET VOTED IN DON'T LET ME DOWN.
DeleteIsn't this just incredible? Back and back and back we go to the ills of this new primary that we don't need and never should have had in the first place.
DeleteHow about the lawsuits he filed against the tribe and its gaming enterprise? Nobody's even brought that up.
DeleteHow about his treatment of an 80 year old woman? Calling the cops on her like she was some kind of threat to him. He denies doing it, but when you tell an employee to do it - it's the same thing as doing it yourself.
DeleteGood points.
DeleteThe person who posted www.okgenweb.org/~okosage2/families/boulanger.html must have mistaken the fact that in the days before the roll was recorded all mixed bloods were referred as half-breed. Joseph W Boulanger is actually 1/8 Osage. His father was Pierre Boulanger and his mother was Adeline Montardy. He married Sarah Ann Cronk 11 Feb 1873 at the St. Paul Osage Mission in Neosho, Kansas.
ReplyDeleteFeb.19,2014 11:50 AM Concerns that Fletcher II will now be holding up the Cobell payment to the Osages. The BIA in Albuquerque told me that non-Indians wouldn't be getting any monies, and quoted the 1700 list. I was checking my 11-11-2013 pay off predictions for the Osage about that time.. But what we have here, now is a vote getting or loosing "PLOY".
ReplyDeleteThe only ones who will be getting Cobell money are those who have had an IIM account at any time during a specified beginning date through to an ending date. If you are Osage, receive a Headright check but have no IIM account you won't be getting any Cobell proceeds of the law settlement. Those who qualify for IIM accounts are Indians (Individual Indian Money).
DeleteThank you. Cobell could not exclude the Osage because of the outcome of another case pending, would be considered discrimination.
DeleteHoly Moly http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/08/13/every-member-of-a-minnesota-indian-tribe-makes-at-least-1-million-a-year/
DeleteFrom my non- Osage but later Pawnee half brother favorite movie of all time Little Big Man Quota.
ReplyDeleteJack Crabb: Do you hate them? Do you hate the White man now?
Old Lodge Skins: Do you see this fine thing? Do you admire the humanity of it?
Because the human beings, my son, they believe everything is alive. Not only man and
animals. But also water, earth, stone. And also the things from them... like that hair. The man from whom this hair came, he's bald on the other side, because I now own his scalp! That is the way things are. But the white man, they believe EVERYTHING is dead. Stone, earth, animals. And people! Even their own people! If things keep trying to live, white man will rub them out. That is the difference. "
Brother Bernard "Lucky" Howell would had enjoyed reading that but Agent Orange and Camels cigarettes took him to early in life. He's out there on that Osage perpetual resting place ,Pawhuska Cemetery, not far from Osages own Governor Joe, Not Scared of Pawnee., both rest in Peace.
This guy does not want to go to Jail..http://www.indianz.com/News/2014/012607.asp
ReplyDeleteNone of them ever do but it doesn't stop them from stealing from their Tribal governments.
DeleteUnbelievable. Still does not justify his actions because he should get a hall pass for stealing over a 100,000 dollars and he paid it back, got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Deletehttp://osagenews.org/article/margo-gray-no-longer-under-bench-warrant-advisement,
ReplyDeleteHum still owes the debt and now they don't want there money,wondering what deal was made to get this out to Osage voters, I don't like these shades deal, you no have lost my vote!!
DeleteHow much Osage Nation business was promised if she becomes Chief???? If she doesn't they will continue to seek the amount owed.
Delete>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*""Don't vote for Margo if you want the best your money can buy for the Osage Nation.""<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The judgment was against a company she co-owned - since dissolved. The problem was a client that stiffed both companies - hers and the sub. Ever been stiffed by a customer? It happens. It's why businesses incorporate. It doesn't mean that Gray did anything wrong personally.
DeleteShe's still principally responsible for the debt. That's the way it works. We don't need a Chief who has to declare bankruptcy and that's all there is to that.
DeleteAny proof she filed bankruptcy?
DeleteMargo Gray website is located at http://www.margogray2014.com
DeleteIt is important that people realize that the suit has not been dismissed and the defendant Gray has not made any effort to pay. It is only stalled until after the election.
ReplyDeleteStill won't vote for her.
DeleteI've had enough Gray days in Osage government to last me the rest of my life. Won't vote for her either.
DeleteAnonymousFebruary 21, 2014 at 1:26 AM
ReplyDeleteMy opinion is, and most likely will not mean a thing. Headrights should go back to the families, to many were beaten out of theirs. That is plain as you can get, and no way should that family or families have to pay for what is theirs.. Remember this Minerals Council, and don't vote them back in. What is happening is bad. Many of our people will be sick. You plan to use shareholders monies to do this, it goes back to the shareholder
On top of this, just talked to Jeff up in D.C., B.I.A.,he said they'd been helping to straighten things out down here,and would check and see whats going on, more or less. H .
DeleteCool. This should go back to the families or rightful heirs. No money that belongs to the stakeholders in the first should be spent on this matter. That belongs to the shareholders. This needs to be clarified.
DeleteSorry, I was only preferring to putting the BIA on notice about the Goodwill letter, and it was Tony instead of Jeff, Jeff had Tony at the BIA call me this morning. My questions were of the other side of the Jefferson dollar if you can imagine , yours is the coming back, mine is the other. I've always enjoyed reading your view, via the stakeholder logo.
DeleteYeah 11:00 AM, and one day 75-100 years from now, your descendants will get to overturn and decide who they want the assets that you have left in your will left to. Be assured, it will be to them and not who you have every right to choose to leave them to today. Grotesque grave robbery of the absolute worst kind. A shocking disgrace upon every Osage alive today.
DeleteFunny how history repeats. And the insanity of all this will continue.
DeleteI found some cobell information that's causing the payments to stall. It's obvious they have found all unknowns and known now. Plus more party's are wanting a piece of the pie, I'll post some for your read.http://cobellsettlement.com/docs/Docket_4030_Order_Granting_Plaintiffs_Unopposed_Motion_to_Include_and_Authorize_Payment_to_Additional_Individuals_in_the_Historical_Accounting_Class.pdf
ReplyDeletehttp://cobellsettlement.com/docs/2013-12-04_-_Dkt%204016_-_Motion_to_Intervene_-_Indian_Land_Tenure_Foundation.pdf
DeleteLooks to be that our head of the class want's some more of the pie like half a million plus exp money to!!
DeleteThe lawyer are behind all of this for sure, Nobody ask me if it's was ok, Just goes to show you the lawyer are representing them selves, SNEAK SNAKES
DeleteNew article>> http://osagenews.org/article/amanda-proctor-announces-her-candidacy-asst-principal-chief
ReplyDeleteSee comments after his same post on the earler list.
DeletePlease be specific. What earlier list?
DeleteConversation--Part 2-February 2014
DeleteWhose same post? Orbi? He has only one post on this page. Don't play silly games. Reprint what you want us to read or don't bother to waste our time.
DeleteThe same link to Amanda-Proctor-announces-her-candidacy-asst-principal-chief
DeleteI thought it was pretty plain you must be challenged. It may be a waste of time to try to help you. Find that link near the bottom and read the posts after it.
This is the shareholders page. The other one is for everybody. These web pages are not linked but if you want to send someone over there to look at something, be courteous enough to post the link to that web page -- http://osageblog.blogspot.com/2014/02/conversation-part-2-february-2014.html
DeleteHoly Moly http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/08/13/every-member-of-a-minnesota-indian-tribe-makes-at-least-1-million-a-year/
ReplyDeleteKeep up on interesting information available at https://www.facebook.com/OsageNews
ReplyDeleteTRY http://www.tomboone.co/index.html
ReplyDelete"I'm a firm supporter of the 1906 Act and I will not support redistributing of the headright shares of the minerals estate, nor do I intend to compact the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). I believe the Osage Minerals Council can take care of the minerals estate for the headright owners." You've got my vote. Just make sure you deliver on what you promise the Osage people.
Deletei will vote for whoever promises to get rid of Mary Mashuckashey out of the Tax Commission. She stole/ embezzled $75,000. that we know of and only paid back $3000. Why does she still have a job? No degree, embezzler, big salary = stupid. Who will get rid of her gets my vote. there are smarter, better Osage workers around and they can take her place. She does not deserve that job. Gray let her stay on the condition she pay it all back and she did not pay it back, Johnny let her stay because she is his relative. She has no shame. Will Margo let her keep her job? Will GSB let her keep her job? Will Boone let her keep her job. if they let her keep her job, then they are just as guilty of embezzling.
ReplyDeleteYes. Purge those Ma"shuck and jive"asheys right out of the Osage government. I'm under the impression that it was Jim Gray that forgave her having to pay back that debt. He had no right to do that and is just just as guilty of embezzling as she is. Though you get a song and dance about a statute of limitations, there is no such thing where criminal matters of this kind are concerned and its right in the Osage Code. "One case at a time" Jones, the Osage AG, should have had her up on charges and Jim Gray too long ago for what she did and what he did to let her off the hook. Take the Gray family off the table if you want anything to improve in the Osage government. What has happened to that WIC investigation? Time is slipping away on this one and it needs to come out very soon. Where is the Osage News on this case? Asleep at the computer?
DeleteCan any candidate answer this question: "Will you keep the present Tax Commissioner in her position if elected?" Will one candidate answer that question here please? She won't resign, she has no shame in taking money she has not earned or does not deserve. Will the Osage News ask that question please of the candidates?
DeleteAs far as the WIC investigation goes it was poor management and not embezzlement. She provided WIC services to over income Osages like Libby Gray etc. There were Osages making money way over the income guidelines and still received the food vouchers set aside for poverty level clients. She said she was ordered by Executive to give these food vouchers to over income Osages. In other words, she was told by the Executive branch to violate Federal law. She won't be prosecuted. Only her employees were made to suffer at the hands of that bully Brian Herbert who brow beat them and yelled at them and tried to make them cry with his storm trooper tactics that he calls investigation protocol. The AG should be ashamed of himself for allowing a man to treat those woman that way. They barely earn above minimum wage and Brian Herbert gets his rocks off brow beating them over a decision made by their past director.
And who filled out the forms that asked what the income level was? Santa Claus? No, it was the applicants. The ones making a request for the vouchers. That's where it begins and that's where it ends. The fraud occurred when the form was filled out with the false income information. It's just endless with you guys. Passing the blame to everyone except the ones who should be blamed and punished. The ones who should be prosecuted are the ones who took the vouchers when they knew that their income level was too high to qualify to receive them. Throw her under the bus too for sure but punish the liars and frauds who falsely filled out the application forms. At this point, to make an example of these people can only improve the situation. No consequences = no change in behavior. When is this ever going to get through to anyone running things around there?
DeleteThe buck starts with prosecuting those who intentionally committed this intended fraud. What are the policies that are in place to not allow tnis to happen? How much did we have to pay back?
DeleteGlad you asked that question. A whopping $109,317! That's got to be a ton of food vouchers. The legislative bill for repayment is located at http://www.osagetribe.com/congress/uploads/Legislation/Bills/2013/40/ONCA13-40.ENACTED.pdf Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that there are policies in place other than those of the Federal government for this subsidized program.
DeleteThis had to of been going on for a while. There can't be that many on vouchers? Whats the real story? What a cover up if I ever heard one. Regardless of this behavior why has the Feds not investigated, though the money was paid back does not mean fraud has not occurred? Two wrongs do not make a right. This women needs to be removed from her dutie and placed somewhere else and made to pay back the Nation if she renigs she is terminated period.
DeleteCandidate Platforms and Issues:
ReplyDeleteHIGHEST ALERT FOR OUT OF STATE AND OUT OF OSAGE COUNTY OSAGE NATION MEMBERS--I have reviewed the campaign literature of Terry Mason Moore and she is OPENLY for districting by school or zip code and a voter registration that takes a year because you have to live in that district for an entire year before you even register to vote. This sounds like she is trying to cut all of us members out of the herd who don't live in the three villages robbing us of our current Constitutional rights to vote. Since she does not clarify where these districts are to be located, take her off the table immediately as a possible candidate for Assistant Principal Chief. This is always the first step. The next step is to purge all Osages who live outside of the "designated" districts. This government was created to include all of us, not to exclude us. That's how it was sold and that's the way it's going to be as long as those of us Osage Nation members draw breath and are able to continue to fight to see that it stays that way. If you value your right to vote and the privilege of your right to register to vote in Osage elections no matter where you live, tell Terry Mason Moore where to get off on your absentee ballot or in the ballot box on Primary election day on Monday, March 10. If she makes it past that point, continue to send her on her way on Election Day, Monday June 2, 2014. The BIA is now reported to have been saying that the Osage Nation can choose to have one man one vote on Mineral Council shares so this could one day come to mean that you can't vote your shares if you don't live in the villages districts. Protect your own interests and do the right thing for yourself and your children in the future and don't vote for anyone, who in any way, appears to want to rob you of your vote or your membership in the Osage Nation.
DeleteJust reading your first few lines has me very concerned especially when a lot of us have leased land and so forth back home. Some of us have a lot of business there and I find that this is unfounded call of which we need to see the model and this needs to end here and now. Terry Mason Moore will not get my vote period if this is the case. Segregation is not the answer and tnis NATION WAS FOUNDED on all inclusion. To give everyone a vote. So put it to vote among the voters and in addition put on the table a vote to not to vote for her if tnis is the case. Talk about discrimination, will there be law suits you better believe it. This is why we became a Nation to give
Deleteeveryone a vote. Ah I see a Osage Constitutional Convention because then the reason tbis Gov. was founded and formed is based on a lie. I hope this is not true tans my hide if aint already tan lol. They just want to push the envelope don't they. Thanks Osageblogger for keeping us informed. Yes her true colors are showing .
Plus it says on this here page Terry Mason Moore sent out that she coordinated with outside litigation counsel-- the lawyers--for John Red Eagle. He lost his case in trial so imagine what it will come to if and when we get into court with her in the mix. Forget it. No vote for her from me.
DeleteNew article>> http://osagenews.org/article/grayhorse-community-letter-sparks-controversy-chief-candidate
DeleteSince when does the Osage Nation have to provide millions to put in a grocery store for that area when it paid millions already for that failed venture in the Palace Grocery? What is this? The Cry Baby Ranch over there? They all got HPP settlement money. Put that up for your own grocery store. Why should they have such privileges when the rest of us can't get anything from the Osage Nation government?
DeleteFairfax to Walmart in Ponca City. 34.0 mi, 38 min driving 42 min with traffic. If they really want to serve the people they could provide transportation say maybe twice a week.
DeleteOr they could spend their HPP settlement amounts and get there by themselves. I drove to work 60 miles one way and 60 miles back, five days a week for a year. It can be done. Never mind the moan, moan, moan. Get out your checkbooks and pay for it yourselves. You leeches on the treasury of the Osage Nation are unbelievable! You should be ashamed of yourselves.
DeleteGeoffrey Standing Bear's website: http://www.geoffstandingbear.com/
DeleteOsage Shareholders Association meeting will be Sunday March 2 at Dave Landrum 1:00 Pot Luck...Chicken will be provided...Chief and Assistant Chief Candidates are invited for program...
ReplyDeleteYou know I believe I sent in my $35 dues to join maybe a couple of times, they always sent it back. Sure love chicken, guess we need to form our own Non-Osage Shareholders Association, first year to join, free. Now the candidates may not be able to muster many individual votes from us in fact LETS say zero to keep the voting record straight, but indirectly telemarketing of eligible voting close friends, mail outs, get out the vote, unlimited ideas. If you're interested contact though TheTwoNativesCasino.com look up Homer on it, it has the e-mail and other connections. We may even get up our Chiefs Slots like we did four years ago.Homer
DeleteHomer, some, if not most of the Osages really want to take your headrights away. Are you sure you want to be so helpful?
DeleteThank you folks in Overland Park, Dexter, Porter, El Reno, San Juan Capistrano,Rocklin, San Francisco, Tempe, McNary, Redmond, Ponpano Beach, and Fort Atkinson a dozen of many online , from Sea to shining Sea and belong. H
DeleteAiso, Thank's! Suunyvale,Highland, Beverly Hills, Simi Valley, Scottsdale, Aurora, Azle, Alvarado, Tyler, Katy, Bartlesville and DeQueen. Already got a e-mail and call out to two of the Chief candidates for their OK on the Chiefs Slots, no word back YET. Will try the last in a bit. H
DeleteFIRE THEM ALL!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteI don't know if any of you know about assimilation, but I believe that by the loss of our land base will cause the abolishment of the treaties and Acts. That means those head rights. The tribal government with the minerals council have been paid off by the State of Ok., and the Osage Congress and Chief have paid off employees of the BIA. The Osage people have been lied to and the tribal government is guilty of fraud. Once all the monies are put into the foundation and we are incorporated into Okla. it is too late to do anything about it. And believe me all three running for Chief are involved.
ReplyDeleteWhat foundation? The Osage Nation Foundation at https://www.osagefoundation.org/
DeleteYes. I think we are all curious about this foundation you are talking about. Best to give the whole of the information you have rather than play games and be evasive. There are enough secrets being kept by the Osage Nation as it is already. Man up and tell us what you know.
DeleteHEADS UP! OSAGE HEADRIGHT & RESTRICTED LAND OWNERS MEETING TO UPDATE THE OSAGE OPERATORS ENVIRONMENTAL REFERENCE MANUAL at 6:30 p.m. on Tuesday March 4 at the Osage Casino Hotel in Skiatook. See http://osagenews.org/event/osage-headright-restricted-land-owners-meeting-update-osage-operators-environmental-reference-
ReplyDelete**WARNING* ONCA0014-10 by Standing Bear and Moore proposes spending $3.3M that is about $11,000 for each registered voter in the Fairfax on the children and elderly. There are only about 13 children in the headstart and how many elderly do they plan to serve? How much is planned for the children and elderly of California and Texas that have a much higher number of Osages than Fairfax. The idea of equality seems to be missing somewhere here. It won't be long if you get Standing Bear as Chief that you will need to live in Osage County to benefit in any way for being Osage.**WARNING**
ReplyDeleteStanding Bear and Archie Mason, not Moore.
DeleteGood post 10:19 AM. I'm glad that someone sees the disparity and total lack of fairness inherent in the behavior of these two this early on before the election in June. Standing Bear hasn't started up with a bill yet for the new "Cultural" Center to duplicate the one we already have that he intends to build according to his campaign literature. Keep your eyes peeled for this freeload for those who live in Pawhuska. If the ON Congress doesn't get something off of the ground for all of us at the upcoming session at the end of March it will be nothing more than the usual lip service to everyone they travel to "visit" during the campaign. When they arrive in your area, keep their feet to the fire and confront them about the horribly unfair way they indulge themselves with the Osage people's money that belongs to all of us and don't share it. Don't be fooled by how gracious they appear to be in person.. Your vote is all they care about. They'll talk about you, tell everyone else they talk to about how you don't get it and how easy you are to fool and laugh all the way to the bank. They will always have an excuse to spend the money on themselves or find one. That's been the pattern for the last seven years and many of them have business interests outside of the Osage Nation that motivate them to keep the money in the local area in Osage County. It's not rude to expect a politician to fairly represent those whom he/she has or will come to represent and it's very wrong to stand down, stay quiet and say nothing about it.
DeleteIt's hardly enough to get the champaign corks popping, now is it?
DeleteRight. It is for them. Thank you for keeping us informed. They should be confronted wherever they go. Half a billion bucks later and what have they done for us as opposed to themselves?
DeleteAfter looking into the Wells Fargo Bank advice put forward by Kugee Supernaw here on the Osage Blog, a bank account with them is NOT available for campaign purposes in Colorado, unless you file business paperwork with the Colorado Secretary of State. This is also true with Bank of the West in Colorado as well. If you are from Colorado and planning to run for office in the ON Congressional election and you don't want to go to all that bother and expense, there are three banks that will accept out of state customers in Oklahoma where you can open a bank account for campaign purposes as per the requirements of the Osage Nation Election Rules:
ReplyDeleteCitizens Bank at http://www.cboktulsa.com/ Speak with Aubree.
The First National Bank in Pawhuska at http://www.fnbpawhuska.com/about_us.html
Security National Bank at http://www.ssbok.com/locations.php Speak with Sherry.
You will have to come into the Election Office in Pawhuska to file to run for Congress: The filing period is March 15, 2014 - March 31, 2014. See FAQ at http://www.osagetribe.com/electionboard/info_sub_page.aspx?subpage_id=2
RED ALERT--IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: In view of the plethora of inexplicable choices that the elected officials of the Osage Nation have made during their tenure for the last seven years, the most recent of which was reported by Congressman Raymond Redcorn in his Update #170: "For employees, the full $1.4 ($1.5) million salary adjustment increase also made the cut, along with the full 3% Merit funding attached to salaries.", the Osage Blog is announcing its NEW Election Initiative that we are calling the Osage Surge for Candidates to come forward from outside of Osage County and the State of Oklahoma to run in the upcoming Osage Nation elections; "The Osage Surge" for short. We need boots on the ground, Osage members, to turn around the policies and spending practices of the Osage Nation government to one that is sensible and reasonable that includes ALL Osages no matter were they reside which was promised to us if we were to support a new Osage Constitutional government. We need to reestablish a proper balance from the top down and the bottom up! Please join this initiative and if you can, run for office in the upcoming Osage Nation elections in 2014. Since they won't, each one of us need to stand up and take responsibility and BE RESPONSIBLE for what our new government does in the future. Now IS the time for all good Osages to come to the aid of their new Constitutional government. If we don't step up to change things they will never change...
DeleteWOW! I see that Ray McClain has announced he is running for mineral council. That might make a few start thinking. His announcement and a new web page is on his web site http://www.Osages-You-Need-To-Know.com
ReplyDeleteNotice says he may be sick and won't know for a while. Meanwhile he's going to run anyway. What this says to me is that he may have to drop out as a candidate or as a member of Council if he gets elected at some point if it turns out he can't serve. I don't know about this. We have enough problems going in just trying to get a good job done out of the ones who get elected and the hires they have put in to work on the shareholders trusts are appalling and these are decisions that the office manager is fully and completely responsible for. That may sound harsh, but McClain's the one who's placing us in this position and that's not really fair of him to do so. My sympathies lie with the Shareholders who have been jacked around back and forth since the Const. government took over. He'll go with the new CFRs and on and on anyway. He's already in the mode of making excuses all the time just like Abbott, Yates and Crum. We don't need another one like them. The real players have left or are leaving and the ones who have been found to come back in look like flakes. This is the legacy of these three and we don't need more of the same. It will probably take many years to repair the damage done as it is, if ever. If Galen Crum runs for Congress, he'll be in an even stronger position to get this new CFR agenda put through to overwhelm the Minerals Estate with it. Look how many people were held accountable when we lost federal reservation status. Nothing whatsoever happened to those reckless irresponsible jerks with their greed driven agenda who began the ruination of everything the Osages have had since the 1906 Act took effect. They never even had the good form and grace to apologize to the shareholders and the Osage people for what they did. As far as I'm concerned, Cynthia can call them every bad word she can think of and still it won't be nearly enough to scratch the surface. Gray goes around acting like the grand old man of Osage Politics. The current wife gives online lectures and the whole thing coming from the two of them is utterly revolting and insufferable. If this were Iraq the two of them would have been found hiding in a hole in the ground and you know the rest.
DeleteYou poor thing. You wouldn't recognize a harbinger of the end of the Mineral Estate if Gabriel were standing next to you blowing his horn right in your ear. It must be truly awful to have no skill whatsoever at being able to gage what the chances are of something bad happening up ahead like a chess player does in a chess game. The very least the man can do for the shareholders is come to the table with a clean bill of health.
DeleteI completely agree, The 9:49 PM poster must be one of those silly vapid individuals who is so fault averse he couldn't admit fault for anything he does or find anyone at fault for anything they do no matter how harmful. Some people never grow beyond the playground sandbox and become adults. It's a pity but don't make us pay for it.
DeleteI am in agreement with poster at 9:49 pm. If anything Ray McClain has my vote. It would behoove you to research the Oil business. He has done more to keep the the stakeholders in the first comprised and his actions speaks in volumes. We need leaders to sit on the council and he would make a great candidate. His reputation surpasses my expectation. Have you read his latest letter? Unbelievable! This is telling. And if I were you, as a stakeholder in the first, e-mail tell this guy where to go and pound sand. You didn't get this information from the council you got it from Ray McClain. This is called communication with the shareholders. Isnt this what we need? We have every right to develope our M/E as we see fit and any and all agreements signed by those who developed their homes on our M/E signed a right of way agreement. The 1906 act is not a back door agreement that allows for interpretation other than clearly what it says. No loopholes to be had. This land is our land. We bought and paid for it. Unless the State of Ok wants to lose it's gross production tax...of which they really do not have entitlement? And is the true reservation of the Osage the M/E. The homeowners in my book if they go against the contract they signed then they renig per agreement can move or be removed? At of which what are the consequences if a landowner does renig on said agreement? Non the less, who else other than hearing about Mrs. Kravitz biting at the bits every chance she gets is someone who needs to be replaced asap. My health is returning after being on meds for a month. Thought we were going to fight the uphill battle, cancer. And getting stronger everyday and still considering a run for council. We need a voice and I see some real teamplayers. Keep your eyes wide open. We have a voice.
DeleteNew CFRs = little if any royalty income. McClain is for the new CFRs. If that works for you, then you must not need the money. Let the Feds push in with all these rules and regulations and you'll never see the end of it. Stand on principal with your own check, not mine.
DeleteAgreed. Need Council people who won't be sick and will be there for the next four years. The Minerals Council is riddled with instability as it is already. Think of the Shareholders first and yourselves as candidates last. If there is even a small chance that you can't serve the term, don't run. If you have to step down that means that the new Osage Nation administration will be in a position to appoint someone who sees things the way they do and will do things the way they want them done and that's the last thing we need as shareholders.
DeleteI'm not sure what Melvin Core means in the Osage Mineral News when he says to vote for candidates who want to compact or contract the ME and then turns right around and says the opposite in the rest the paragraph. Is this a mistake or doesn't he know what compacting or contracting means?
ReplyDeleteYes, I see what you are talking about. Guess no editing there. Though I do see his point.
DeleteRay McClain with both hands tied behind his back and tape over his mouth, knows more about the oil business than all eight members of the Council now. Believe me even though he speaks the language of the Oil & Gas Producers, he would NEVER take money from the Producers to go to Washington on their behalf.
ReplyDeleteYou must really want the mineral trust to stop paying as much as it has or end altogether, don't you Patricia?
DeleteNo, but if you elect Boone and company it will. There are many times they (Boone & company) wanted to take the first offer from the Producers and with the help of the others we ended up with MILLIONS in bonuses. Those Producers didn't pay for Boone and company to go to Washington for nothing. They are going to want a return on their money sooner or later. Think about that one. Plus remember that Boone and company are the group that don't want the Producers to pay us a fair price for the oil and gas.
DeleteAnd what a conflict of interest that was. Time to rid the council of any appearance of impropriety. The interest should always favor the stakeholders in the first. That's you and me the shareholders.
DeleteYou don't see Ray McClain a producer on the MC as a comflict of interest??? Much greater that a trip to Washington DC.
DeletePatricia Spurrir-Not too Bright!!!
You must live in the Boone World where they make things up and believe them and aren't very smart! Mr. McClain was never a Producer and has been retired from the oil business since 2005. Wish you weren't such a coward and would post under your name.
DeleteI wish that you would pay attention and reply under the comment you are responding to and not elsewhere.
DeleteHear, Hear...Ray has my vote as well
DeleteAnother two from Congress back on the dole? FAREN REVARD ANDERSON>>>>>>>>>>> http://osagenews.org/article/osage-minerals-council-election-office-open MARK SIMMS and EDDY RED EAGLE, JR. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://osagenews.org/article/principal-chief-bighorse-appoints-individuals-board-vacancies How many of them no longer in Congress are collecting a paycheck from the Osage Treasury through this revolving door? Every single one of them? Meanwhile Osages who need the money go without so these leeches can enrich themselves at our expense.
ReplyDeleteWhat experience does Anderson have to run the Minerals Election? Do they see these people walking down the street and pull them back in? What is this? Who ran the election last time? This is so crazy.
DeleteCandidates already irresponsible! http://osagenews.org/article/two-primary-election-candidates-fined-missing-campaign-report-deadline
ReplyDeleteOsage Shareholder's Election information is located at http://osagenews.org/article/osage-minerals-council-election-office-open and http://osagenation.co/minerals-council-election-information/ Why would the Shareholder's Election office close on March 31, 2014 when it just opened on March 3, 2014? What kind of insanity is this?
ReplyDeleteAnd for the most radical change in the Osage Nation the award and votes goes to________??
ReplyDeleteMy vote for the award for most radical change goes to the members of the Osage Congress and Judicial Branch for holding the Executive Branch and its employees accountable for what they do in government. It was a brave and difficult thing to do and they should be commended for it. This is the first evidence the Osage Nation will someday have a government that actually works.
DeleteToo bad they didn't do it from the very beginning when Raymond and Shannon along with that Littleton women were always cooperating with Jim Gray and the Executive to the detriment of the strength of the Legislative Branch when this whole irresponsible pattern got started.
DeleteHow did the list of defendants in the Fletcher case go from greater than 1700 to the 300 the MC sent letters to?
DeleteCase No. 02-CV-427(K)(M)
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE
NORTHERN DISTRICT OF OKLAHOMA
1. WILLIAM S. FLETCHER;
2. CHARLES A. PRATT;
3. JUANITA W. WEST;
4. CORA JEAN JECH; and
5. BETTYWOODY,
Individually, and on behalf
of themselves and all others similarly
situated,
Plaintiffs,
V.
1. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA;
2. THE DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR;
3. KENNETH SALAZAR Secretary of the Interior;
4. THE BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS;
5. WALTER ECHOHAWK, Assistant Secretary of the Interior –
Indian Affairs,
Federal Defendants,
CLASS ACTION
ATTORNEY LIEN
52. A.J. SCROGGINS;
53. ADA WADDELL;
54. ADOBE ROYALTY INC.;
55. ALAN CAMPBELL;
56. ALAN KLEE;
57. ALAN SODERSTROM;
58. ALBERT RICKENS;
59. ALBERTA MATTESON;
60. ALBRIGHT COLLINSON;
61. ALFRED GIBSON;
62. ALICE LACEY;
63. ALICE SMITH;
64. ALISON OWENS;
65. ALLEN OLIPHANT;
66. ALMA AYRES;
67. ANDREW FRANKS;
68. ANDREW LEA;
69. ANDREW NATE TAYRIEN;
70. ANGELA STEELY;
71. ANN BERTERO;
72. ANN LOCKETT;
73. ANN OSTEEN;
74. ANNA JEFFERSON;
75. ANNA PAPPIN;
76. ANNA ROGERS;
77. ANNE BENNETT;
78. ANNE HIGGINS;
79. ANNE LEHMANN;
80. ARCHIE FAIR;
81. ARDENE SWENSON;
82. ARLES SCOTT;
83. ARTHUR GARDNER;
84. AUDRA LINLEY;
85. B BEAVER;
86. BAILEY HICKSON;
87. BARBARA ANCONA;
88. BARBARA BURNS;
89. BARBARA CHASTAIN;
90. BARBARA CHITWOOD;
91. BARBARA DEVINE;
92. BARBARA DOOLEY;
93. BARBARA ENGLES;
94. BARBARA FITZER;
95. BARBARA MCCLISH;
96. BARBARA RANDALL;
97. BARBARA WHITEHORN;
98. BARRY COPENHAVER;
99. BARTON NAGLE;
100. BEATRICE MALONE;
101. BENJAMIN BENEDUM;
102. BENJAMIN CARL LUCAS;
103. BERNADINE BEITZEL;
104. BERRY JOHNSON;
105. BERTHA KAY NAVARRO;
106. BERTHA KEELER;
107. BERTHA PAYNE;
108. BETSY TOWSE REVARD;
109. BETTIE BRAVE;
110. BETTY BLUE;
111. BETTY CAMPBELL;
112. BETTY CAROTHERS;
113. BETTY DENOYA;
114. BETTY GUINEY;
115. BETTY HABERLY;
116. BETTY HEDIGER;
117. BETTY MAST;
118. BETTY MCPHERSON;
119. BETTY MOORE;
120. BETTY ROGERS;
121. BETTY WAYMAN;
122. BETTYE PASTANA;
123. BEULAH WILKIE;
124. BEVERLEY TAYRIEN;
125. BEVERLEY YOUNG;
150. BUCK DAVIS;
175. CECIL RIDGE;
200. CLAIRE MCCOY;
225. CRAIG COLLINSON;
250. DAVID MACKAY;
275. DON JEFFERS;
300. DOROTHY MILLS;
325. ELINOR LOTTINVILLE;
425. GERALDINE HYATT;
450. GUY HICKSON;
451. H. WEYL;
452. HAL NIEMANN CALVERT;
453. HARDY JOHNSON;
454. HAROLD LONG;
455. HAROLD ROGERS;
456. HARRIET MATHIS;
457. HARRY GRAY;
458. HARRY HARTLEY;
459. HAYDEN & OPAL POGUE;
460. HAYLEY MCCARTY;
461. HAZEL BRETZ;
462. HAZEL MILES;
463. HEATHER KELLER;
464. HEDWIG WHITE;
465. HEIDI GREEN;
466. HELEN BOGAN;
467. HELEN CAMERON;
468. HELEN CASTLES;
469. HELEN DIXON;
470. HELEN DOLL;
471. HELEN FRONKIER;
472. HELEN LADNER;
473. HELEN STITTS;
474. HELGA BARRY;
475. HERBERT MCGREEVY;
476. HILDA EUBANKS;
477. HOLLIS WOODMANSEE;
478. HOMER BARLOW;
479. HOMER BUCKER;
480. HOMER FINCANNON;
481. HOMER SHAW;
482. HORTENSE HARRIGAN;
483. HOWARD RANDALL;
484. HOWARD TRUMAN;
485. HOWARD WALKER;
486. IDA PERRIER;
487. IMOGENE THOMAS;
488. IONE SCHRADEN;
489. IRENE WEAVER;
490. IVA CARRUTH;
491. J C DEVINE;
492. J HAYS SMITH, JR;
493. JACK GIBSON;
494. JACK HULL;
495. JACK WOODMANSEE;
496. JACOB GOBLE;
497. JAMES ALBRIGHT;
498. JAMES BARTHOLOMEW;
499. JAMES CLIFFORD TAYLOR;
1720. THE VIRGINIA FLETCHER ESTATE;
1730. THE WANDA HESSERT ESTATE;
1748. THE WINIFRED LABADIE ESTATE;
1749. THE ZOE KINNU ESTATE;
Gerrymandering if I ever saw any, what could afford to sent out to all 1700 plus ?
DeleteI believe you're getting too detracted by this lawsuit which I don't see your name on.
So, in the mean time this Oklahoma State House of Representative in District 36, Sean Roberts
in Hominy none-the-less, intrudes a Ok.House Bill that will hurt if not destroy the Osage Minerals
more then these few little Shareholders. So, some of you are drawing your double dipping salaries,
and WE AREN"T GETTING OUR MONEYS WORTH. 4000 non's may make a stand with some of you
but some will have to be replace, this year . Will be getting the do nothing list up soon. Homer
Is the list above a condensed list? If not, where can I find it? Thanks!
DeleteBartlesville Police Department Mar. 6 • Macy Danielle Mashunkashey, 22, on charges of driving under suspension, expired tag and no insurance - See more at: http://examiner-enterprise.com/record/arrests/arrests-95#sthash.6e1BMXoQ.dpuf
ReplyDeleteCurious, how are the funds being used by the five man board from the lease revenue of the Pawhuska Casino ?
ReplyDeleteI'm sure you've read the http://barnsdalltimes.com/http:/barnsdalltimes.com/news/bill-targets-osage-oil-and-gas
ReplyDeleteState Rep. Sean Roberts that authored the bill who's top contributors Pac was the Chickasaw Nation with $10,000.00.
Top Industries Oil & Gas contributed $8250.00
In their top three contributors Koch Industries
well known in the Osage.
Lobbyist
$40,000.00......$5,200.00 went to H.R. Roberts
Oh, you may remember the law firm Akin, Gump that those sharpies over on
Osage Minerals Council fired, some of their money was in that $5200.00
But, I forgot their, too busy with the non-Osage Shareholders to pay this much mind.
Cut down the trees to see the forest,
Facts and figures from http://influenceexplorer.com/politician/id/6423b12082ad4b4b56818cab...
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If you are so smart you would know the Mineral Council and others have been working on this. The bill has been dropped.!!!. Check your facts, Homer.
DeleteOnly one HB dropped and that was a school lunch bill. Show the facts and any of MC and others actions.
DeleteAs far as this smart stuff, you may have lived on high too long need to get down to the trenches.
and like a person that's tied to a floating buoy, to keep afloat, to raise the spirits of the underdog
and resilience adversaries. The waves that strikes my face is but one that's not striking another,
time will be served well old sailor, old soldier, old warrior of the plain, for if you all keep on you'll
be where I'm at and I'll be there too. Homer BZ Comment
Amanda; where are you when we need an answer from you? Whats the deal on -- March 8, 2014 at 11:19 AM post?
ReplyDeleteSo, Ms. Amanda Proctor, the Osage News reported you to say"we encourage any Osage Shareholder to attend this important hearing." Fletcher v United States March 06, 2014.
DeleteBut, by checking the U.S. District Court the Honorable Gregory K. Frizzell docket, no such case appears on that date . Doubt if too many wasted their time showing up, probably another ploy to get attention in the local Tribal papers no matter the consequences to constituency .H
The Docket for Frizzell shows a hearing for May 6, 2014.
DeleteThanks! Just two months off from what the Osage News reported, no wonder people don't vote,disillusionment runs rapid throughout this election process. "Journalism does have a responsibility to attempt to inform, also it would be incumbent on responsible reporters to make an effort if they themselves had any awareness to explain to the public,*" Tribe) Not everyone bothers to double check, just so much that a blogger can do. Both extremely weak local news and candidates information.that people can't understand Appearing confused and not paying attention, are two different things,
DeleteBE SURE AND VOTE MARCH 11, 2014 for CHIEF and A C. Does the day Spring forward too?? *Confusion. H
Monday MARCH 10, 2014, HOMER. TOMORROW! GOOD GRIEF...
DeleteCan anyone give a report on the OSAGE HEADRIGHT & RESTRICTED LAND OWNERS MEETING held on the 4th of March? Thank you.
ReplyDeleteBOONE BONUS
ReplyDeleteIf you have noticed Cynthia Boone in a snit lately, it is because the Mineral Council Trust Secretary that SHE RECOMMENDED for the job, refused to take a surprise drug test that Cynthia herself suggested to the office manager several weeks before in hopes of catching Dena. The other two women working in the office passed the test. This highly recommended employee (by Cynthia) ran out the door yelling she was sick. Wouldn’t even come back into the office to get her purse and car keys, and had to pound on the window to have someone bring them to her. I guess she figured if she came back in the office they were going to jump her and make her pee. A little extra bonus. This employee that Ms. Boone said could do no wrong, well when they were cleaning out her desk, they found well over 50 Trusts shoved way in the back of a drawer, that were supposed to be finished. Some of these Trusts were dated over a year ago. Nice going Ms. Boone, we look forward to your next recommendation!
More than that, I look forward to the next election when we can VOTE HER OUT !
DeleteTo: Patricia Spurrir-Not To Bright - How can you be this hateful on the Sabath? Do you just make this stuff up or is someone using you to spread this Message?
DeleteTO: poster :3-9-201 at 5:13 PM. You can't stand for the truth to be told!! If you knew her as well as you claim, you would know P S Bright is right.
DeleteNew article>> http://osagenews.org/article/early-voting-begins-march-7-osage-nation-primary-election
ReplyDeletePrimary Election Day TODAY at the Cultural Center. Campaigning is located on Campus. See http://www.osagenews.org/article/osage-nation-hosts-first-primary-election
ReplyDeleteUpdates today from the Osage Nation Primary are located at https://www.facebook.com/OsageNews
DeleteUnofficial Election Results:
DeletePrincipal Chief:
Geoffrey Standing Bear -- 1080
Margo Gray -- 359
Tom Boone -- 347
Assistant Principal Chief:
Raymond Red Corn -- 707
Amanda Proctor -- 503
Terry Mason Moore -- 441
Randolph Crawford -- 79
James Dailey -- 60
It's Official! See http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/news/primary-election-results
DeleteSee http://www.osagenews.org/article/osage-nation-primary-election-results-announced
DeleteWhat's up with this? http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/user/register How can we be expected to sign up on the Nation's new website if we get a message like this preventing us from going forward? Who did they hire to do the web work on this one? The guys who worked on the Obamacare website?
ReplyDeleteIf StandingBear and iPad Ray win this election it's because they put together this ersatz Primary Election that requires filing to run during the Xmas season which tilts the playing field in their favor as legislators to seek higher office. StandingBear has been lusting after being Chief since the days when he was involved with that TU law professor who helped come up with that National Council in the '90's when he was elected Assistant Chief that Tillman and the 30th Council sent to its timely death. He has been after laying plans for this scheme of his to be Chief for many years. As predictions go, I believe that there will be no end to the money he will spend and the litigation he will get us involved in to the detriment of the Mineral Estate in the end. If there isn't a new Osage trust with an entirely different set of shareholders by the end of the next four years it will surprise me greatly. Certainly if he is reelected in the subsequent four years. Mark these words today because they will be true someday in the future just as if they were written in stone. If they aren't proven to be true, it will only be so because he will have failed but it will not be for lack of trying.
ReplyDeleteLet em try....
DeleteI am more worried about his son threatening people that once his dad is chief that they won't have a job. He has pointed out several non-Osages as the first to go even though these are loyal long time employees that are Native. I fear another return to the favoritism and nepotism we just went through. His son plays dirty tricks and now will be untouchable when his dad GSB is elected. It will be a new reign of terror on the hill.
DeleteThere are over 10,000 Osages on the voting roll. Only 1790 voted, that is less than 6% cared to make their wishes known. Does that say IDGAS in spades. .
ReplyDeleteHeads Up! The filing period to run for Congress is March 15, 2014 - March 31, 2014. See FAQ at http://www.osagetribe.com/electionboard/info_sub_page.aspx?subpage_id=2
ReplyDeleteNew article>> http://osagenews.org/article/principal-chief-scott-bighorse-delivers-annual-state-nation-address
ReplyDeleteToday is the first day for filing to run as candidates for the Osage Nation Congress. The first four to file to run are Alice Buffalohead, Dr. Ron Shaw, Otto Hamilton and Michael Kidder.
ReplyDeleteOtto Hamilton? Dancer not a politician or a leader.
DeleteSee article at http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140312-911826.html
ReplyDeleteMinerals Council Election information is located at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/news/2014-minerals-council-election-information
ReplyDeleteMinerals Council Election Absentee Ballot information is located at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/what-we-do/elections/minerals-election
ReplyDeleteThe Minerals Council meeting audio on March 14th is available for on demand listening at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/minerals-council
ReplyDeleteIt is reported that the MC is firing employees.
DeleteCouncilman Galen Crum had initiated a telephone poll to approve terminating the Council’s Trust Secretary Ciaradon Carpenter for cause. The specific charges were not made public. The vote was 6 yes and 2 no, with Boone and Whitehorn dissenting.
I hope she gets a good lawyer that will take the case of wrongful termination for a contingency and sues the BIA and each yes voter personally. I doubt they have any kind of immunity.
She’ll need Perry Mason AND Clarence Darrow for lawyers to convince a judge that refusing to take a drug test is the right thing to do.
DeleteI doubt anyone accusing her has the expertise to make drug charges or that proper federal guidelines were followed in this action. The accusers may end up needing magic lawyers.
ReplyDeleteThought the same thing.
DeleteTo the poster March 18 9:41 Please tell us just exactly who these "Accuses" are that you are referring to. This was a random drug test. As far as I know no one was accused ! However, when you run out of the office and refuse to come back to avoid the test that speaks a lot to the perceived guilt, does it not ? Lets also address the shareholder trust documents that were stuffed in the back of her desK. Hope one of them wasn't mine !
DeleteOld Galen Crum, believe was a Civil Service Employee, Fireman in Kansas, probably would have taken more then a Keystone cop to get him to piss in the jar. Tell the truth you jerks, hope the whole employee work force goes Teamster. H
ReplyDeleteYou guys don't know diddly! Not only did she not take the drug test but ran out of the office to avoid it and didn't come back Secondly, anywhere that I have worked have had random drug test as a company policy including civil service jobs and you had one hour to test or you were fired if you refused.Companies have for years have you do a drug test before you are even hired. Let us not forget that random drug test are a safety issue. How would you like to be working with someone that unknown to you was spaced out on something? I can guarantee you that the Teamsters back drug testing and so does every other Union that I know of, so that won't help. You can test me anytime I have nothing to hide !!
DeleteThen why are you hiding your name?
DeleteThe Nation's Human Resources Department did the test. Now are you going to argue with that?
DeleteSure ! I've had to have a drug screening to do contractor work in a highly restrictive defensive faculties. But all was done at a controlled professional laboratory, none of this pole-dunk-center operation like being describe above. Line those boys and girl or girls after the new election and sent over the jar to the OMC meeting, after listening to 45 minutes they must be on something, giving away a rock crusher twice, come on down non sense.H
ReplyDeletePeople know many things about Minerals Councilmen, it is not good, That PSB woman, is a joke, and then some. That Dena girl has all of you in the dark. One day it will all come out, on all of them. Can't wait for the lawsuit to start, and all those that will be involved will say, they did nothing, but people have it all down. A lot of liars.
ReplyDeleteNew article>> http://osagenews.org/article/candidates-begin-filing-congress-osage-minerals-council-races
ReplyDeleteState of the Nation video is located at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/news-events/news/state-nation-video-0
ReplyDeleteI ,Homer Fincannon officially announcing my run for Chief of the Non-Osage Shareholders,
ReplyDeleteIn years pass it is my understanding that the Shareholders elected their own Chief which I believe is a fair and honorable thing for the Shareholders to do, but they by whatever means have gave that post up. The Non -Osage Shareholders didn't get a chance or was even ask to vote to keep a Chief. So this way the Non-Osage Shareholders and or Non-Indian Shareholders including some True Osages that feel left out this will give them a voice, your wishes.
You may ask is this a shadow government of the Osage Nation Mineral Council, yes and no. Definitely not a paying post,others can apply, dead line April 1st. 2014, sign up on Non-OsageShareholders.com or go ahead and vote if your on there ,4000 votes out there somewhere. I do believe we can straighten that Mineral Council out and make our HeadRight worth more every three months. How, its like a Country Club Golf Social. Unofficial on the job since 2008, Acting Chief Homer Fincannon
I think you should bring suit at the Federal level - DOI - for not allowing your shares to have equal representation as the Osage held shares.
DeleteBIG NOT! No one can be in a position to directly influence Osages politics in an official Osage government but Osages themselves. This has been the BIA regulation from the very beginning and that policy is over a hundred years old. If you don't like what the Osage government is doing then the best policy is to get in touch with the Secretary of the Interior first and then contact the Indian Committees of the U.S. Congress if you don't receive a satisfactory response from the Secretary. The fiduciary relationship of the United States of America exists with and is owed to the Osage Tribe/Nation tracking back to the Cherokee Deed for the purchase of the Osage Reservation in 1883 and the Mineral Estate Trust created in 1906 by the Allotment Act is for the benefit of the individual Osages, period. It does not, nor has it ever protected non-Osage entities, non-Indians or Indians of another Tribal community.
DeleteThat all went away when the Osage Nation was formed, by act of congress. The Kansas land also belongs to the non-Osage people, it was deeded to osage anuaniti.
DeleteDon't assume unless you can support your statement by facts and please do and is this recorded? So as to verify your statement.
DeleteNonsense! If all that went away when the new Osage Nation government was formed, then the mineral rights, tied to the Cherokee Deed for the purchase of the Osage reservation, have gone away too. ON Constitution supports the 1906 Allotment Act as amended in Article XV, Section 2 and Section 4. The Cherokee Deed is on display at the Cultural Center in the Annette Gore Library above one of the bookshelves.
DeleteDear Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. or Whoever or Whatever, The one that controls the Black Pencil;
DeleteIt appears that a number of my previous, truer then life or death comments have been deliberatively deleted from this Blog. Why??
Your opening comment Thanking all Osages for making this Blog successful, although excluding myself, I believe a good number Non-Osages have added to that success. In fact , a upcoming poll may show the numbers. H.
The Cherokee Deed is just a souvenir. The 1906 Act divided the land and reserved the minerals. The Osage Nation really has no jurisdiction over the mineral estate and entries in the ON Constitution are not really allowed by the bill that allowed the Nation to be formed and can make no changes to the headright that existed at that time. The DOI should step in and write a new CFR for the Mineral Estate.
DeleteThe minerals can't be reserved without ownership and the Cherokee Deed to the reservation property is what the mineral rights are tied to directly. Ask a lawyer about real estate law and title to properties in fee simple. The BIA IS a division of the DOI. Next time, know what you are writing about before you comment with such misinformation.
DeleteReminder:
ReplyDeleteThe filing period for Congress is March 15, 2014 through March 31, 2014. See the FAQ at http://www.osagetribe.com/electionboard/info_sub_page.aspx?subpage_id=2
Filing for the Osage Minerals Council 2014 election begins on March 19, 2014 and closes on March 31, 2014. See http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/what-we-do/elections/minerals-election
More FOS from the Osage Congress... they raised the minimum wage to $11.50 and said that this was competitive for the area. It's another lie. The biggest Indian employer in Oklahoma is the Cherokee and they've just raised their minimum wage to $9.50!!!!!!!! Minimum wage is the State of Oklahoma is $7.50. >>>>>>>>> http://www.cherokee.org/News/Video/tabid/1577/tid/227/Default.aspx That's $530,000 higher a year for the Osage Nation government employees than the Cherokee!!!!! Get rid of these big spenders in the Congress in June and go with those who won't throw money around like it's a Pirate Treasure to be divvied up among themselves that they have no respect for whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteWho pushed this through? Time for the OSAGE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. We the people of the Osage want on a ballot for support of a Per-Cap from the Casinos. If this initiative is not supported will petition by mailers. All I have to do is petiton the shareholders. Then we take it to an Administration level and the due process begins. We are fully aware of the cost of living in your area really is and thus far we are aware their are huge inefficiencies with in depts. throughout the Nation as well. Not just do we need a New Congress, we need people who just understands what a moral compass is? Like I said for every dollar spent match it for their people The Osage and put it in a revolving acct. Then at the end of the year that would be their Turkey dinner voucher. Everyone should be included and I'm really seeing discrimnation here and the polls are very swayed. This is not good.
DeleteOsage Congress, get this man his Turkey voucher! Like the old saying goes, we need every chicken member of Congress in every hot pot we can find who doesn't take care of all Osage members and not just those who vote or work for the government!!!!!!!!!!!
DeleteAs of ten minutes ago, when I called the Mineral Election Board there were only the following people running for office, which I find strange. given the number of people who say they are running:
ReplyDelete1. Ray McClain
2. Mel Core
3. Myron Red Eagle
4. Andrew Yates
Just before this call, I called the Osage Nation Election office and I have only the following names, which I also find strange.
1. Alice Buffalohead
2. Dr. Ron Shaw MD
3. Otto Hamilton
4. Michael Kidder
5. tony Whitehorn
6. Clair Wood
In both cases, candidates still have until the 31st of March to file. Many have filed at the last minute in the past. What is so strange about that?
DeleteAdd Doug Cowan to the list for ON Congress.
DeleteSee also https://www.facebook.com/pages/Osage-Nation-Election-Office/250250828358561
Deletewww.thepetitionsite.com/235/312/874/demand-an-end-to-unlawful-seazing-of-Osage-Indian-Headrights/ h
ReplyDeleteAt the last Friday MC meeting, Mrs. Phillips gave a short presentation on the relevance of Chief James Bigheart in his efforts to secure the mineral rights for the Osage people, there-by bringing great wealth to the Osage which is enjoyed still today. She then, on behalf of the Bigheart Statue Foundation, asked the MC to consider a donation to the fund to build a statue of James Bigheart at the museum. The MC said they would discuss it in the following Wednesday meeting. She also had a conversation with a producer she knows and asked if his company would consider a donation. He said that if the MC approved a donation then he would present the request to his board. In the following Wednesday MC meeting Cynthia Boone said that " The producer was very upset and felt accosted by Mrs. Phillips" by her request of consideration of a donation. The producer has since been asked about this and said it never happened and that if he had an issue he would have brought it to the attention of the entire MC and not to just one person. This is yet another example of the lengths that Mrs. Boone will go to make false statements when she thinks she will not be caught in a lie. This time she was challenged by Galen Crum and when she denied it. Galen said it was all on the MC audio recording. This is also documented in the Osage-You-Need-To-Know post about the MC meeting. I hope the people in California read this blog and are getting an idea of what goes on here in Pawhuska and vote accordingly. Surely this is not the kind of representative they would want representing them!
ReplyDeleteCalif. Is listening. We understand the cancer. And the M/C is hearing the Shareholders. We expect nothing but professionalism and we want teamplayers.
DeleteOf course the producer said that. You people are so juvenile. He said...she said. Let's move on to something that has relevance to the Mineral Estate. The MC has no business funding statues or anything else not directly minerals related. Business is business.
DeleteTo Anonymous on 3-25 at 11:57 While you are jumping on someone, go jump on Cynthia. She is the one that lied about the producer. It's funny how you can justify what others do and say while you are overlooking the truth. As far as the statue, if it weren't for the efforts and ground work by James Bigheart there would be no minerals estate or need for a MC and that my friend IS relevant ! If you don't think so ask the many Osage citizens that get a quarterly headright check and the MC that has $1,000,000 a year of oil money in their budget to say nothing about the salaries they draw. I'll bet it's ALL relevant to them. Have a good day.
DeleteJames Bigheart's biggest contribution to the 1906 act was to get the right mixed blood people to serve. Leahy, Trumbly and a adopted Sioux John Palmer, wrote the act and did all the interface with the U. S. Government to get the bill passed and the allotment of the reservation. The motivation was to shut out the man named Foster who had an agreement through the agency develop all of the Osage reservation after a well had been discovered. The decedents don't face the reality of how little Bigheart actually did..
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DeleteOh my, you have soooooooo much hate and jealously in your heart, you are to be pitied. You give James Bigheart full credit for getting the right people to put the Act together, then you say he did very little. You leave out the part where he spent nearly 10 years fighting with the Federal Government to stop statehood until the Osages were taken care of, and was beaten nearly to death for his efforts. Then, because of the beating, he signed the final documents of the 1906 Act from his sick bed, from which he never got up, and then died 2 years later, just months before he would have received his first headright payment as authorized by his 1906 Act. A statue is the least we could do. We should be building a monument to this man.
DeleteHate? Envy? Let's not forget the fact that he got filthy rich in the process. You can fictionalize if you want to but the facts speak for themselves. He actually had a stroke in March of 1906 when he was in Washington D.C., not in a sick bed located somewhere in the Osage Reservation. The best way to honor a man is to tell the truth about what he did when he was alive. If you're looking for a handout, you can now go to the Osage Foundation that makes contributions for such things. The Osage Museum also has a budget for statue funding as well. 'One exhibit' Kathryn Redcorn probably won't be there when you come in the Museum door because she's taking that 2229 exhibit back to St. Louis for another round of fist pumps and high fives. Don't expect to see any mixed bloods in the exhibit if you head over there. They will probably be edited out. The Minerals Council is the last place to go because it is supposed to handle Minerals business, not creative or artistic ventures of this kind. Trying to bully them into making a contribution for this statue borders on the despicable.
DeletePatricia Spurrir not to-Bright must be a Bigheart girl I know Lou Phillips is. Chief Bigheart must turn over in his grave to know these are his decedents.The Osage Nation has the "Tribal Heritage" and should finance these kind of memorials. It is not for the mineral council to spend oil development and management money on this kind of statue.
DeleteAs for Foster and shutting him out, please explain this lease document signed by Bigheart himself: http://books.google.com/books?id=2AEtAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA250&lpg=PA250&dq=Foster+and+James+Bigheart&source=bl&ots=vHz4tl27u8&sig=7GUUDV2tE3Fl9lWJ7UCvvienDrc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=__4yU__8Ko_toATX2oGQAg&ved=0CEcQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Foster%20and%20James%20Bigheart&f=false
Delete4:44PM I must reply if for anything else my number came up, remember the 3-4's. My family, in the Osage had Great grand father A.W. Comstock a graduate of the first Law School at Drake University in Iowa. John Palmer and A.W. had a ranch together , later the Bert Colby place near Ponca City in the west edge of Osage County. They , John Palmer and A.W. Comstock were also Law partners in 1908, along with a Mr. Hudson. A.W's specialize in Corporate Law at Drake, you see that in the shareholders don't you.. In our family we use to have this oval shaped oak table , that A.W. used with the Chiefs, Attorneys probably Agency Superintendent too. This was over the Old Osage Mercantile store believe on Ki He Kah. So, if I may add A.W.'s name to that list of mixed bloods. Thank you, Homer
DeleteWhile blogging about Attorneys, and their furnishing, at that same Law office above the Osage Mercantile in the rough and tumble days of the early 1900's, they couldn't take out their aggression on a blog, some used pistols,one of the many stories told us while growing up in Pawhuska. This shooting took place right a the entrance the stairs going up to my GreatGrand Father A.W. Comstocks Law office. Some bystanders that had witness the shooting, grabbed up the wounded man and went straight up to A.W. office, wherefor A.W. yelled out he needs a Doctor not a Lawyer. So the guys laid him on this entrance foyer couch which absorbed a lot of blood, couch was later recycled down to Hominy to a happy taker. Moral of this story get your Professionals in the right order , this one Doctor first the Lawyer second, the same in Blogging . A.C.Homer
DeleteThey are descendants not decedents.
DeleteTOXIC!!! TOXIC!!! TOXIC!!! Consideration of ONCA 12-68, An Act to establish law governing the management, permitting, and use of water within the Osage Nation; to provide penalties for violation of the Act; to establish the Office of the Osage Nation Water Engineer; to provide a process for hearings and appeals; and to provide a limited waiver of sovereign immunity. (Standing Bear) WTF? A taste of the future where this guy, if he's elected Chief will bring heaven and earth down upon us coming straight from the State of Oklahoma? Who does he think he is? Jim Gray? This will be as bad or worse than that EPA legislation Gray tried to slip through that tore up everybody in Osage County. TOXIC!!! TOXIC!!! TOXIC!!!
ReplyDeleteYou are NUTS!!!! NUTS!!!! NUTS!!!!
DeleteYou think? Just wait till you see what the OK courts have lined up for old Standing Beer when he gets there. They are already licking their chops and the Feds have no intention of stepping in to stop this legal suicide if he proceeds without seeking their help and protection first. Zoom!!! Zoom!!! Zoom!!! ALL gone before you know it............. It's your check........... enjoy it while it lasts!!!
DeleteReview the list of FY2014 Spending Bills at http://www.osagenation-nsn.gov/who-we-are/congress-legislative-branch/legislation
DeleteWater contains minerals, therefore the water should be under the Mineral Council. This according to the Article XV, Section 2.
DeleteI am speaking of the Osage Nation Constitution
DeletePatricia Spurrir-not to Bright, you also contain minerals maybe we can sell you. --- Water rights belong to the land owner. H2O Surface Rights.
DeleteAs you and Goeffrey Standingbear are about to find out. The Osage Nation will loose to the State of Oklahoma as the taxes dispute assured the loss of reservation status under the Gray administration. The placing of state property in Indian Trust Status for the Casino operation is debatable and is only allowed by the BIA not tested in the US Court or by US Congress.
And once again the winner is Edwards by 21 lengths.......... http://osagenation.co/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Third-Congress-Session-Absences-FY-2012-2014b.pdf
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